Orsini & Co. don't care and don't want to hear about it

[PonyDogg]

You guys are ridiculous.

Who have we missed out on by waiting? Nobody. Everyone who we can get is STILL there.

After Dec 15th (Whenever quiet period started) there was no difference between waiting until Jan 10th or hiring Dec 16th other than to satisfy your rabid curiousity.

Peopel like you whom share your sentiments are the same type of people who justify passing laws because ... "We have to do SOMETHING!!!"

Should we hire a coach JUST to hire a coach?

I think not. We are the "last" team to hire, so what. IF JJ doesn't work out there will be another one, who is STILL there today.

IF this bleeds into Jan 14th, then we do have serious problems. I realize we are close to that point, but the SKY ISN"T FALLING

Hell, Fran could come in next week and steal 5 recruits from the Aggies and double the best PB class.

Agreed!!!

[Hoop Fan]

Dead period huh? Do you know what it even is? Besides, can you conceive any reason why it would be necessary for a coach to have time to hire a staff, look at film of potential recruits, talk to high school coaches and all around figure out who he wants to offer scholarships to? You must think our coach is going to the Top 100 list for his scouting report. This guy is going to have to identify players who arent exactly well known or well scouted. Thats gonna take time to do effectively. But no big deal right, 20 bodies will sign on Feb 2. Jones or Martz will just coach em up.

[BRStang]

You guys are ridiculous.

Who have we missed out on by waiting? Nobody. Everyone who we can get is STILL there.

After Dec 15th (Whenever quiet period started) there was no difference between waiting until Jan 10th or hiring Dec 16th other than to satisfy your rabid curiousity.

Peopel like you whom share your sentiments are the same type of people who justify passing laws because ... "We have to do SOMETHING!!!"

Should we hire a coach JUST to hire a coach?

I think not. We are the "last" team to hire, so what. IF JJ doesn't work out there will be another one, who is STILL there today.

IF this bleeds into Jan 14th, then we do have serious problems. I realize we are close to that point, but the SKY ISN"T FALLING

Hell, Fran could come in next week and steal 5 recruits from the Aggies and double the best PB class.

Agreed!!!

[Billy Joe]

Brstang....I liked your comments and believe SO should respond to you or at least someone from the AD's office should give you some sort of response. We all want answers.

[BRStang]

Brstang,

Why don't you just take this note and e-mail it to his direct e-mail address. You can find it on smumustangs.com. It may get filtered out. He may delete it. He may read it and respond.

Give it a shot.

Yeah, SO will respond to crybaby non-donating 'fans'.

I certainly can become a non-donating fan. (In both time and money.)

[Hoss]

Got plenty of those already

[tex23bm]

You guys are ridiculous.

Who have we missed out on by waiting? Nobody. Everyone who we can get is STILL there.

After Dec 15th (Whenever quiet period started) there was no difference between waiting until Jan 10th or hiring Dec 16th other than to satisfy your rabid curiousity.

Peopel like you whom share your sentiments are the same type of people who justify passing laws because ... "We have to do SOMETHING!!!"

Should we hire a coach JUST to hire a coach?

I think not. We are the "last" team to hire, so what. IF JJ doesn't work out there will be another one, who is STILL there today.

IF this bleeds into Jan 14th, then we do have serious problems. I realize we are close to that point, but the SKY ISN"T FALLING

Hell, Fran could come in next week and steal 5 recruits from the Aggies and double the best PB class.

I think you're missing something very important.

by waiting that extra 2-3 weeks, we have in essence forsaken this recruiting year.

Of course, 2-3 weeks ago we were still one of the last 3-4 teams without a coach.


Here's my Point:

It's not just the fact that we don't have a coach.

What could it be?:
It's the fact that we haven't had a coach for almost 10 weeks.
It's the fact that the fans are virtually in the dark.
It's the fact that we have in Essence forsaken this year's recruiting class.
It's the fact that we are laying the groundwork for future futility.

That's why a lot of people are showing frustrated.

SO promised us a "WOW" hire.
He's right, because one of two things is going to happen.

1. We get a coach worth waiting for (JJ or even MM).
People say: "Wow, nice catch".


2. We hire a coach who was available a month ago (Coker or Fran).
People say: "Wow, they wasted how much time?"

[Beanman]

This entire thread is insane. Why would SO give away his tactics or direction to any of us? What gives us the right to think that he owes us that information? Why woud we even want him to give it out to us?
This board is not a closed community. Anyone can read it. We read the Navy, GT and other boards when we were going after PJ and there was no more definitive info on any of them. And why would there be? We may have lost PJ because info got out before it should have.
I have hired and fired many "key" employees in my work and would never have wanted the info to get out ahead of the action, not for the company's or for the employee's good.
Our knowing what SO is or is not doing and his reasoning is none of our business at this time. Sure we want to know, but again, it is none of our business.
Steve, do your job.

[PhirePhilBennett]

You guys are ridiculous.

Who have we missed out on by waiting? Nobody. Everyone who we can get is STILL there.

After Dec 15th (Whenever quiet period started) there was no difference between waiting until Jan 10th or hiring Dec 16th other than to satisfy your rabid curiousity.

Peopel like you whom share your sentiments are the same type of people who justify passing laws because ... "We have to do SOMETHING!!!"

Should we hire a coach JUST to hire a coach?

I think not. We are the "last" team to hire, so what. IF JJ doesn't work out there will be another one, who is STILL there today.

IF this bleeds into Jan 14th, then we do have serious problems. I realize we are close to that point, but the SKY ISN"T FALLING

Hell, Fran could come in next week and steal 5 recruits from the Aggies and double the best PB class.

I think you're missing something very important.

by waiting that extra 2-3 weeks, we have in essence forsaken this recruiting year.

Of course, 2-3 weeks ago we were still one of the last 3-4 teams without a coach.


Here's my Point:

It's not just the fact that we don't have a coach.

What could it be?:
It's the fact that we haven't had a coach for almost 10 weeks.
It's the fact that the fans are virtually in the dark.
It's the fact that we have in Essence forsaken this year's recruiting class.
It's the fact that we are laying the groundwork for future futility.

That's why a lot of people are showing frustrated.

SO promised us a "WOW" hire.
He's right, because one of two things is going to happen.

1. We get a coach worth waiting for (JJ or even MM).
People say: "Wow, nice catch".


2. We hire a coach who was available a month ago (Coker or Fran).
People say: "Wow, they wasted how much time?"

That's why you should have supported me firing of PHIL last year, idiots.

[BRStang]

You guys are ridiculous.

Who have we missed out on by waiting? Nobody. Everyone who we can get is STILL there.

After Dec 15th (Whenever quiet period started) there was no difference between waiting until Jan 10th or hiring Dec 16th other than to satisfy your rabid curiousity.

Peopel like you whom share your sentiments are the same type of people who justify passing laws because ... "We have to do SOMETHING!!!"

Should we hire a coach JUST to hire a coach?

I think not. We are the "last" team to hire, so what. IF JJ doesn't work out there will be another one, who is STILL there today.

IF this bleeds into Jan 14th, then we do have serious problems. I realize we are close to that point, but the SKY ISN"T FALLING

Hell, Fran could come in next week and steal 5 recruits from the Aggies and double the best PB class.

I think you're missing something very important.

by waiting that extra 2-3 weeks, we have in essence forsaken this recruiting year.

Of course, 2-3 weeks ago we were still one of the last 3-4 teams without a coach.


Here's my Point:

It's not just the fact that we don't have a coach.

What could it be?:
It's the fact that we haven't had a coach for almost 10 weeks.
It's the fact that the fans are virtually in the dark.
It's the fact that we have in Essence forsaken this year's recruiting class.
It's the fact that we are laying the groundwork for future futility.

That's why a lot of people are showing frustrated.

SO promised us a "WOW" hire.
He's right, because one of two things is going to happen.

1. We get a coach worth waiting for (JJ or even MM).
People say: "Wow, nice catch".


2. We hire a coach who was available a month ago (Coker or Fran).
People say: "Wow, they wasted how much time?"

That's why you should have supported me firing of PHIL last year, idiots.

I was very vocal in my opinion that PB should have been fired after last season. Now, I would like to just get on with HIRING A COACH TO RECRUIT US SOME PLAYERS!!!!

Can't you see that even PB here in Jan. 08 to recruit players is > than no coach in Jan. 08 to recruit players? It is called recruiting, STUPID.

[mustangbill67]

This is possibly the most important football hire in SMU history. SO said from the start that he was engaged in a process to explore every avenue to find the right coach for SMU. I understood this to mean that although he had certain people in mind, he was also waiting to see who might become available. This is what he has done and I also believe we will get the coach that we need. If we lose some low level recruits as a result of this search, so be it. A lot of you guys are expressing a high leval of frustration, which is not surprising. I encourage you to be patient a little while longer and let's see what we get.

[BRStang]

This is possibly the most important football hire in SMU history.

I agree. I also believe that it has been irreparably mishandled as EVIDENCED by the obvious lack of precision and execution. The sheer fact that Mike Martz has been contacted PROVES that the search has been relegated to a grasp at straws. If SO gets JJ, which I think at this point is doubtful, he should count himself lucky to be in a position to save face. If not, he has hurt not only SMU but his own career.

[Peruna Pete]

I too agree on the importance of this hire. It is not a particularly easy time to be a supporter of SMU football and I am just as frustrated as any alum. But many people seem to be operating from the perspective that because we haven't yet been able to hire a big name coach, our administration must have done something terribly wrong. I have been quick to criticize past regimes, but in this case such criticism may be wrong-headed. I believe it to be a fallacy that simply by significantly increasing the salary we can attract a top-flight coach. Do you really believe that all the coaching moves we've seen lately are just about money? Bobby Petrino didn't weasel his way back into college coaching just because of money. He wanted to be a big man on campus--he wanted to WIN; same for weasel Nick Saban. These guys live not just for money but to win; ego is just as much a determinant as financial considerations. My sense is that selling a five-year rebuilding plan to such an elite group of people is more difficult than we know. I do not know Orsini from Adam. If he assumed that he could attract the "wow" coach just by paying more, then he should be held responsible for his lack of insight. But I'm not sure that DeLoss Dodds or Frank Broyles or any other AD you can name could just flash his checkbook and get his man. Let's hold SO responsible, but let's be reasonable in our expectations while doing so.

[tex23bm]

You guys are ridiculous.

Who have we missed out on by waiting? Nobody. Everyone who we can get is STILL there.

After Dec 15th (Whenever quiet period started) there was no difference between waiting until Jan 10th or hiring Dec 16th other than to satisfy your rabid curiousity.

Peopel like you whom share your sentiments are the same type of people who justify passing laws because ... "We have to do SOMETHING!!!"

Should we hire a coach JUST to hire a coach?

I think not. We are the "last" team to hire, so what. IF JJ doesn't work out there will be another one, who is STILL there today.

IF this bleeds into Jan 14th, then we do have serious problems. I realize we are close to that point, but the SKY ISN"T FALLING

Hell, Fran could come in next week and steal 5 recruits from the Aggies and double the best PB class.

I think you're missing something very important.

by waiting that extra 2-3 weeks, we have in essence forsaken this recruiting year.

Of course, 2-3 weeks ago we were still one of the last 3-4 teams without a coach.


Here's my Point:

It's not just the fact that we don't have a coach.

What could it be?:
It's the fact that we haven't had a coach for almost 10 weeks.
It's the fact that the fans are virtually in the dark.
It's the fact that we have in Essence forsaken this year's recruiting class.
It's the fact that we are laying the groundwork for future futility.

That's why a lot of people are showing frustrated.

SO promised us a "WOW" hire.
He's right, because one of two things is going to happen.

1. We get a coach worth waiting for (JJ or even MM).
People say: "Wow, nice catch".


2. We hire a coach who was available a month ago (Coker or Fran).
People say: "Wow, they wasted how much time?"

That's why you should have supported me firing of PHIL last year, idiots.

Ironic.

I was a freshman in 2003. i called for his head then. I didn't see how a coach could go 0-12 and keep his job.

so, "idiot", why don't you:
1. Pull your head out of your [deleted].
2. quit ASSuming.
3. quit dwelling on you're I called it, I was right attitude.

[BRStang]

I too agree on the importance of this hire. It is not a particularly easy time to be a supporter of SMU football and I am just as frustrated as any alum. But many people seem to be operating from the perspective that because we haven't yet been able to hire a big name coach, our administration must have done something terribly wrong. I have been quick to criticize past regimes, but in this case such criticism may be wrong-headed. I believe it to be a fallacy that simply by significantly increasing the salary we can attract a top-flight coach. Do you really believe that all the coaching moves we've seen lately are just about money? Bobby Petrino didn't weasel his way back into college coaching just because of money. He wanted to be a big man on campus--he wanted to WIN; same for weasel Nick Saban. These guys live not just for money but to win; ego is just as much a determinant as financial considerations. My sense is that selling a five-year rebuilding plan to such an elite group of people is more difficult than we know. I do not know Orsini from Adam. If he assumed that he could attract the "wow" coach just by paying more, then he should be held responsible for his lack of insight. But I'm not sure that DeLoss Dodds or Frank Broyles or any other AD you can name could just flash his checkbook and get his man. Let's hold SO responsible, but let's be reasonable in our expectations while doing so.

There seemed to have been plenty of "top flight coaches" wanting to come here WEEKS AGO...Barnett and Neuheisal even came out and said it in the media. Then you have Bowden and Fran. There are still others who probably have not even been contacted...Shula, Butch Jones, etc.

Again, putting all your marbles in getting ONE A+ coach (or at least who Orsini might THINK is the A+) is not the only variable to consider.