Poor biggin/Stallion

[Butts in the Stands]

But don't forget - the reason we are in this mess now 70 days into the search - is because of the lack of interest. I was right about that, too. You even have published reports that Neuheisal gave SMU the Heisman. Also - don't forget that SMU recruiting year is dead on arrival and a better fit could have been hired a long time ago to start recruiting. Most on here can't see the forest for the trees.

Your assumption that this is a mess is based on your opinion that a 70 day delay is catastrophic. It's not what any of us want but it's the result of an AD who is willing to shoot for the stars. Would you rather have an AD who shoots for the stars and misses 3, 4 or even 5 times but ends up with a pretty good catch or an AD who is so focused on the issue of timing that he goes after a lesser coach so we can continue the status quo. I agree that having Fran or Barnett earlier might have been pretty good deal but if we had landed Slick Rick I think that would have surprised a lot of folks and the press would have been outstanding (and i think a lot of HS players would have been impressed). SO knew the reality of pursuing the coaches he did would potentially result in several NO's and a lengthy delay. That was a chance SO was willing to take and i applaud him for it. Personally, I think Barnett would have been the best fit for SMU but I don't know (nor should I) what is going on being closed doors. There is a lot of stuff that none of us know and anyone who claims otherwise shouldn't be posting anyway.

Yes, recruiting this year may take a hit but SO has a long range perspective. Of course he wants to win immediately but he recognizes that the timing risk is worth the long term benefit. Even if JJ turns us down and we end up with Fran or someone else we could have had 2 months ago, SO is taking calculated risks. You're exactly right - some folks, including you, can't even find the damn forest!

[Pony Fan]

F U - to the little twerp who started this thread. It is obvious that you are still drinking from mommy's t!t. Grow up.

IF - IF June Jones decides to accept SMU's offer, I will admit that I was wrong in thinking he would not come here. It will have been the first time. But my thoughts on the June Jones to SMU theory were echoed by just about every commmentator out there. I will glad and consider it a positive if SMU gets June Jones.

But don't forget - the reason we are in this mess now 70 days into the search - is because of the lack of interest. I was right about that, too. You even have published reports that Neuheisal gave SMU the Heisman. Also - don't forget that SMU recruiting year is dead on arrival and a better fit could have been hired a long time ago to start recruiting. Most on here can't see the forest for the trees.

You are completely wrong about the job had no interest. Orsini has been waiting on his guy, and now it LOOKS LIKE we may get him. We should not count this as done yet until we see JJ with a SMU cap on.

[jimhagle]

It befuddles me a bit about the recruiting thing. When in the last 20 years or so did we ever bring in more than an above average class? Rarely or should I say never. Let's be real about that concern-a top coach will make a huge difference along those lines unlike a lesser commodity like we have had.

[westexSMU]

[quote="biggin"]Also - don't forget that SMU recruiting year is dead on arrival and a better fit could have been hired a long time ago to start recruiting. Most on here can't see the forest for the trees.[/quote]......................"SMU recruiting is dead on arrival"........Maybe you are wrong again, The signing date for HS Seniors is another month away and you don't know how well our new coach will be received. Recruits can and do change their mind......Fact is potential recruits from all over the country will consider playing here if June Jones is the Coach...I know he will recruit very well here in the future and we really don't know how much catch up he can play this year yet...JJ, having worked in NFL player personal with NFL teams, knows how to find talent. We may not have heard alot about some of the guys he signs this year, but I can assure you he will sign some good football players this year.

[Phxfan]

I'm sure JJ will address any of the standards that will potentially keep out recruits. He seems to have had enough headwinds at UH. He doesn't want to come here just to fail, but go even higher, and doesn't want a bunch of obstacles in his way. After all SMU has put into this thing, and the 20 yr.s of losing, SMU will give him what he wants. We are too far down the road to turn back. JJ basically gets a blank check.

[jtstang]

You are completely wrong about the job had no interest. Orsini has been waiting on his guy, and now it LOOKS LIKE we may get him. We should not count this as done yet until we see JJ with a SMU cap on.

I thought Paul Johnson was his guy??

[carolina stang]

No interest in this job right chicken dicks? June Jones will never come here? Orsini is a [deleted]? It's a beautiful day to be an SMU fan. We're on the verge of hiring June Jones and the two most chicken dicked posters on this board are proven to be the puds they really are!

Don't count your chickens before they are hatched. No signing on the dotted line as yet. You said the same thing about PJ. They laughed at you then. We still don't have a coach.

So BigDaddy? Would you rather be right? Or have June Jones be the coach.

I've been wrong all along. Back before the end of the season, I emphatically posted that I thought Orsini had a done deal with someone. If we finish with June or Fran, I'm happy. Could care less if I'm ever right on this subject unless I'm predicting a huge year for the Ponies.

I can understand people being concerned about lateness in recruiting, but as many have pointed out it's not like we've had any prior fabulous recruiting classes.

[Treadway21]

JT - SO was just trying to get his buddy a raise - He always was set on JJ.

[jtstang]

Of course. What a nice guy....

[jtstang]

I've been wrong all along. Back before the end of the season, I emphatically posted that I thought Orsini had a done deal with someone. If we finish with June or Fran, I'm happy.

If we have to settle for Fran in January, or anyone else for that matter, it's a disaster and possibly the worst coaching search in history. Orsini better go to confession this afternoon and go to mass tomorrow.

[mustangbill67]

From all accounts, it looks SO had a three man list. PJ was first choice. This was a guy he knew well and had previously worked with. Second on the list was Neuheisel and JJ was third. SO or the search firm had contacted others such as Fran and Coker just in case all the top three fell through. Martz also became an option after he was fired. This is my take on the search based solely on what I have read.

[PK]

If SMU does get JJ then hopefully SMU has made concessions on its model (ie, allowing credit hours to transfer to be on a more level playing field in getting Juco and transfer players). I also would like to hear about the so-called Education department SMU has talked about implementing. Bennett said in his press conference that a lot of players want to go into coaching and SMU not having an Education department hurt recruiting. With that said, if SMU hires JJ then it is a big step towards being competitive again and winning. I am getting excited.

Lets get something cleared up here. The only place that an education degree gets you extra points is if you want to be an elementry teacher. Once you move up to middle school and high school, all you need is a teachers certificate and a degree in an academic major such as math, history science, etc. If a player wants to get into coaching, they don't have coaches in elementry schools. Most of the coaches I remember from my junior and senior high schools were history teachers. We have enough majors and a teacher certification program at SMU that will allow any player that wants to coach in high school to go in that direction.

[Pony Fan]

You are completely wrong about the job had no interest. Orsini has been waiting on his guy, and now it LOOKS LIKE we may get him. We should not count this as done yet until we see JJ with a SMU cap on.

I thought Paul Johnson was his guy??

JJ is who he has been waiting on since PJ went to GT. Otherwise, there are several guys he could have hired. Steve is thinking what is long term best for the program...what a novel thought.

[BRStang]

From all accounts, it looks SO had a three man list. PJ was first choice. This was a guy he knew well and had previously worked with. Second on the list was Neuheisel and JJ was third. SO or the search firm had contacted others such as Fran and Coker just in case all the top three fell through. Martz also became an option after he was fired. This is my take on the search based solely on what I have read.

Give me a break. While no one but Orsini knows when JJ made it onto the radar, my guess is when he went 12-0 and was named to a BCS Bowl. If Hawaii had gone 9-3 and back to the Hawaii Bowl or something, I doubt we would have even contacted him.

By appearances, Orsini really had no concrete "list", but rather his plan was to go after Paul Johnson and WAIT for him like a lap dog until he was finished with the season. When that fell through, it appears that the "plan" did as well. Orsini seems to have been scrambling after the PJ thing fell apart. But, as I said, I knew there would be people claiming that this was Orsini's plan all along.

[BRStang]

JJ is who he has been waiting on since PJ went to GT.

PUH-LEEEEEZE. You have no way of knowing that. Remember Neuheisel????

By the way, HOPEFULLY, JJ accepts today. It is NOT A DONE DEAL!!!!