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Postby Stallion » Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:09 am

I predicted Phil Bennett was the wronng guy for the Job before he was hired.
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Postby 03Mustang » Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:11 am

Stallion wrote:I predicted Phil Bennett was the wronng guy for the Job before he was hired.


You also predicted JJ would never coach here
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Postby George S. Patton » Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:17 am

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George S. Patton wrote:You didn't read my post. I'm going by track history of June's quarterbacks and Justin's track record. I drew my own conclusion. Am I right? I have no idea.

I don't really care if I'm right or wrong. Just giving an opinion.


Not asking whether you are right or wrong, I am tring to understand better the evidence that lead to your opinion.


Fair enough. Regardless of what the keeper of the star thinks -- time and again, the moron continues to miss the point -- my thinking is this:

Having watched June's teams over the years -- albeit limited, and Garrett can speak to it better than I can -- but having watched this offense, you need a QB who is going to stay with the play until it totally falls apart.

It's timing from the snap to the first read to the second to the third and then doing something. It's throwing to a spot. He wants a QB to be dedicated to the play so the offense will be efficient. Timmy Chang and Colt Brennan were system QBs. Even in the Sugar Bowl when Brennan was getting killed, he still had the presence to see the play through even though the results were bad.

JW's track record is spotty when it comes to staying with a play. Great athlete, saved our bacon when the OL put him in a position where he had to run for his life. In this system, is JW going to have the patience to stay with the play before he freelances. That's a catch-22 situation.

Plus, I don't think he helped himself by missing the spring. You make the same argument for Mitchell if it's him because he's an incoming freshman. But then again, Mitchell is a guy projected to be with Jones for 4 years. That's why the redshirt talk has never surfaced with him.

I think Justin Willis is our best QB. I just wonder if he is the best quarterback for the June Jones' offense.

I'm just rationalizing a theory. I have no idea if this is going to be the right or wrong decision. I said 4-8 this year, anyway.
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Postby EastStang » Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:35 am

There is nothing wrong with redshirting Levi and letting him learn the system and getting reps to be ready come his junior year. But as I said, JJ is a bit of an iconoclast and will use the QB he deems best at running his offense now. If that's a true freshman, so be it. If its the incumbent starter so be it. Whatever JJ does it will be for the good of the team. If JW doesn't start, and we lose to Rice because of any inconsistency at QB by a true freshman, I can see some of our geniuses here turning ugly fast.
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Postby Pony Soup » Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:37 am

EastStang wrote:If JW doesn't start, and we lose to Rice because of any inconsistency at QB by a true freshman, I can see some of our geniuses here turning ugly fast.



I'd imagine that's about right....unfortunately
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Postby OC Mustang » Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:46 am

Since everybody has an opinion, I think JWill is in the top 2 already. I think that Morrison and Jones are looking at Smith & Mitchell because they want to know where they stand, and they need to know now. Have no clue about Turner.

I don't think Jones has a problem with mobile QBs in his offense. He recruited Kevin Craft (UCLA). Craft is very mobile; mobility is good. Makes the defense chase the QB, and it wears out the D-line & LBs, not just the secondary. What Jones will not accept is poor reads, and that, in this offense, is simply a function of knowing the playbook. Willis' tendency to go solo is a direct result of what the defense gave him (and his O-line didn't give him). Opposing D's covered up his receivers last year, so he took off. Remember his freshman year? He was pretty reigned in on what his options were. And he generally got his 1st or 2nd progression. He might not make it to his 4th, but often he was being chased down if he waited that long. The question is whether he has learned the playbook and can make the throws. And Jones is in charge; it's his paycheck. Therefore, he can make the call. If Mitchell or Smith or Turner can do it better, then that must mean that they are perceived to be better. I am okay with that.
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Postby J.T.supporta » Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:50 am

OC Mustang wrote:Since everybody has an opinion, I think JWill is in the top 2 already. I think that Morrison and Jones are looking at Smith & Mitchell because they want to know where they stand, and they need to know now. Have no clue about Turner.

I don't think Jones has a problem with mobile QBs in his offense. He recruited Kevin Craft (UCLA). Craft is very mobile; mobility is good. Makes the defense chase the QB, and it wears out the D-line & LBs, not just the secondary. What Jones will not accept is poor reads, and that, in this offense, is simply a function of knowing the playbook. Willis' tendency to go solo is a direct result of what the defense gave him (and his O-line didn't give him). Opposing D's covered up his receivers last year, so he took off. Remember his freshman year? He was pretty reigned in on what his options were. And he generally got his 1st or 2nd progression. He might not make it to his 4th, but often he was being chased down if he waited that long. The question is whether he has learned the playbook and can make the throws. And Jones is in charge; it's his paycheck. Therefore, he can make the call. If Mitchell or Smith or Turner can do it better, then that must mean that they are perceived to be better. I am okay with that.

i honestly think you might be on to something. If it does come down to Bo and Bredan, it is to see who will get redshirted or not. but im not going to believe anything until JJ says something
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Postby TheBestAvailable » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:59 pm

J.T.supporta wrote:
OC Mustang wrote:Since everybody has an opinion, I think JWill is in the top 2 already. I think that Morrison and Jones are looking at Smith & Mitchell because they want to know where they stand, and they need to know now. Have no clue about Turner.

I don't think Jones has a problem with mobile QBs in his offense. He recruited Kevin Craft (UCLA). Craft is very mobile; mobility is good. Makes the defense chase the QB, and it wears out the D-line & LBs, not just the secondary. What Jones will not accept is poor reads, and that, in this offense, is simply a function of knowing the playbook. Willis' tendency to go solo is a direct result of what the defense gave him (and his O-line didn't give him). Opposing D's covered up his receivers last year, so he took off. Remember his freshman year? He was pretty reigned in on what his options were. And he generally got his 1st or 2nd progression. He might not make it to his 4th, but often he was being chased down if he waited that long. The question is whether he has learned the playbook and can make the throws. And Jones is in charge; it's his paycheck. Therefore, he can make the call. If Mitchell or Smith or Turner can do it better, then that must mean that they are perceived to be better. I am okay with that.

i honestly think you might be on to something. If it does come down to Bo and Bredan, it is to see who will get redshirted or not. but im not going to believe anything until JJ says something


Not a chance. JW's career at SMU is Officially over. I just don't see JJ as a mind game, diversion, Bill Parcells type of coach.

I think he has made his decision and he no longer wants anything to do with JW. I hope it works out. Maybe BM will do well this year after struggling early. It's doubtful but I hope i'm wrong.
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Postby J.T.supporta » Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:02 pm

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J.T.supporta wrote:
OC Mustang wrote:Since everybody has an opinion, I think JWill is in the top 2 already. I think that Morrison and Jones are looking at Smith & Mitchell because they want to know where they stand, and they need to know now. Have no clue about Turner.

I don't think Jones has a problem with mobile QBs in his offense. He recruited Kevin Craft (UCLA). Craft is very mobile; mobility is good. Makes the defense chase the QB, and it wears out the D-line & LBs, not just the secondary. What Jones will not accept is poor reads, and that, in this offense, is simply a function of knowing the playbook. Willis' tendency to go solo is a direct result of what the defense gave him (and his O-line didn't give him). Opposing D's covered up his receivers last year, so he took off. Remember his freshman year? He was pretty reigned in on what his options were. And he generally got his 1st or 2nd progression. He might not make it to his 4th, but often he was being chased down if he waited that long. The question is whether he has learned the playbook and can make the throws. And Jones is in charge; it's his paycheck. Therefore, he can make the call. If Mitchell or Smith or Turner can do it better, then that must mean that they are perceived to be better. I am okay with that.

i honestly think you might be on to something. If it does come down to Bo and Bredan, it is to see who will get redshirted or not. but im not going to believe anything until JJ says something


Not a chance. JW's career at SMU is Officially over. I just don't see JJ as a mind game, diversion, Bill Parcells type of coach.

I think he has made his decision and he no longer wants anything to do with JW. I hope it works out. Maybe BM will do well this year after struggling early. It's doubtful but I hope i'm wrong.

C'mon TBA, JJ is not that vindictive. if JW was done at SMU once JJ arrived, then he would never take him back on the team.
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