The Official Big 10 is Being Exposed As Fraud Thread

[huskerpony]

Maybe the Big 12 North ought to do the same thing-the Big 12 North seems to get left out of criticism because the South is great but the Big 12 North is being simply dominated by the South because of-RECRUITING.

Bowl Results so far:

Big 12 North: 3-0
Big 12 South: 0-1

.....and a couple of the South's remaining games aren't exactly walkovers!


--Obviously I am joking, the South is clearly much stronger at the moment, and the north is playing in weaker bowls, but I just had to get that one in there!

(Don't forget one play could have turned this post-season on its head--if Joe Ganz hadn't tossed that interception in OT in Lubbock, the Big 12 Championship game would have been Nebraska vs. Texas!)

[gostangs]

Obviously my sarcasm was lost on cguru. I will try to type more slowly next time.

[OC Mustang]

The Big 11 may not be all that vis-a-vis the SEC and (this year) the Big 12. However, I have a strong feeling that if you were to line most of them (maybe 8 or 9 out of the 11) vs. CUSA, the Big 11 would win.

Until the CUSA generally, and SMU specifically, can claim wins vs. "BCS"-conferences, we probably ought not go ripping the other conferences wholesale.

I know, I know, the General earned this one. Just making sure we keep our heads about us as his predictions meet with a unceremonial thud.

For the record, Texas will beat OSU.

[EastStang]

Several things have changed over the past 25 years. First, it used to be that all the big ugly steel mill/car plant worker kids went to Big 10 schools. With all the mills closed down or half of them now in the South where there are no unions, size has evened out. Second, the Big Ten schools did not discriminate against blacks to the degree that the SEC, SWC, Big Eight schools did. As a result, players like Bubba Smith went north to play and these schools developed relationships with schools throughout the country. That has changed as well and more players want to play closer to home. The Big Ten has been more involved in academic reforms than other conferences. The Big dumb jock is not a prevalent at Big Ten schools (with certain exceptions). This results in players being drawn to the SEC and the Big XII where they only pay lip service to academics. Lastly, scholarship limits are causing more parity. Schools like Penn State, Michigan and Ohio State can no longer stockpile players like the used to. Schools like West Virginia and Cincinnati are reaping benefits of that.

[cguru]

sorry if I confused your stupidity with your sense of humor. although it could be argued that they are one in the same.

[Pony_Fan]

Big 10 is a complete joke right now. I bet Texas wipes OState out.

Pac 10 gets no love. Oregon State is not an easy place to play. PAC 10 doesn't get media attention. UCLA is down right now which is odd but the USC is one of the most consistent programs in the last 10 yrs. No reason why they shouldn't be playing for the national championship. Florida loses one game to a crappy team and they are in. What is the difference.

I HATE THESE BOWL CONFERENCE AFFILIATIONS. THEY NEED TO STOP NOW. USC got screwed, Tech got completely screwed and I hope they mop up Ole Miss today.

[huskerpony]

Pac 10 gets no love.

Seriously? I don't hear too many bashing the Pac-10. They were not as strong this year as they have been recently, but I think most people view the Pac-10 as being just behind the SEC and Big-12. This year was mainly just because the bottom half from ASU to UW were so much weaker than usual, Cal wasn't quite as good, and people are sick of USC--but typically the Pac-10 is the toughest from top to bottom.

The Pac-10 just never seems to have more than one really dominant team at a time--as opposed to having 3-4 teams that are insanely good with Iowa State, Baylor, Miss St., Vandy at the bottom. But most years, the worst teams in the Pac-10 aren't that far off from the rest of the pack like the bottom rungs of the SEC and Big 12 are.

A couple of years back when the Big 12 was down a little, all anyone talked about was the SEC vs. the Pac-10 being the best confrerences.

I did hear one person today try to say the MWC was better than the Pac-10, but that is a joke. The MWC is certainly as good or better than the Big 10 and Big East, and probably the top of the ACC (although the ACC is probably tougher top to bottom,) but I seriously doubt AF and CSU can hang with ASU and Stanford.

The Pac-10 does things right. They go out and schedule tough non-conference games. The Big 10 and Big East do not. This is a gamble, but it pays off when you win, and it makes the conference better because everyone is used to playing the toughest competition. The same can be said of the non-BCS conferences. The MWC teams get hurt for taking on Big 12 and Pac 10 schools, while the WAC teams use the Big 10 theory and sneak in to the BCS when they manage to go undefeated and no one else does.

I agree with Pete Carroll though--PLAYOFF!!!!! (That being said, if he wants to be in the MNC game, he needs to beat the likes of OSU, UCLA, and Stanford......hard to argue you deserve to be there over teams that only lost to Texas, Texas Tech, Florida, Ole Miss and beat numerous top 10 teams, when you lose to a lesser team every year and the only top 10 team you beat was from the Big 10!)

[Pony_Fan]

Sorry, I disagree.

There might not be any Pac 10 bashing per se, but they never get the amount of credit due to the time zone issue. Nobody watches them on the east coast. Most couldn't even name the teams in the Pac 10. They are not media darlings like the SEC and Big 12. They just aren't.

It's not their fault they have to play the Big 10 losers every year. They don't get a chance. Is Oregon State a worse team than Ole Miss?? Please.

[EastStang]

UW, WAZZU, Cal, UCLA, UA, and Stanford were all very weak this year. OSU managed to win its bowl game against Pitt (not a world beater there) 3-0. Oregon and USC and to a lesser extent ASU were quality Div. 1 teams. However despite all the hate for the Big Ten and the Pac-10, the ACC and BE are even worse. Maryland almost lost to Nevada in the Humanitarian Bowl. Ga. Tech was destroyed by LSU. Cincy got undressed by Virginia Tech who lost to ECU. Boston College lost to Vandy. Obviously we would likely lose to every team named above, but parity is on its way and if we can get on the stick, we could start getting some attention.

[abezontar]

Sorry, I disagree.

There might not be any Pac 10 bashing per se, but they never get the amount of credit due to the time zone issue. Nobody watches them on the east coast. Most couldn't even name the teams in the Pac 10. They are not media darlings like the SEC and Big 12. They just aren't.

It's not their fault they have to play the Big 10 losers every year. They don't get a chance. Is Oregon State a worse team than Ole Miss?? Please.

Uh...how is it not their fault they have to play the Big 10 every year? Didn't they agree to the deal with the Rose Bowl? I wasn't aware that anyone held a gone to the heads of conference commissioners and forced them to agree to bowl deals.

[huskerpony]

I guess I don't think that is true. The Pac-10 gets plenty of coverage where I am at. I usually watch the late Pac-10 game--unless there happens to be a late Big 12 game that I want to watch, or I have had a few too many during the day and am not paying attention any more!

Just my opinion, but I do think Ole Miss is better than OSU this year--if just for consistency sake--especially based on OSU's last two performances (getting destroyed by Oregon and only beating Pitt 3-0?). That being said, they are much better than most people thought they were when they beat USC, so I take your point. And I do think the Pac-10 could be better than the SEC next year with all of the coaching changes and players the SEC is losing.

ESPN basically only covers Top 25 teams though--and games that are on ESPN/ABC that day. The Big 12 had six teams ranked through most of the season, and could potentially have seven after the bowl games. The Pac-10 had 2-3, with several teams hovering between 25-30 most of the season. Hence the lack of coverage this year.

Besides, when I lived on the east coast, there weren't really many college football fans out there, so why does it matter if they get coverage out there anyway? (at least in the northeast, I don't think they could even name all the Big 12 schools either!)

[Pony_Fan]

Sorry, I disagree.

There might not be any Pac 10 bashing per se, but they never get the amount of credit due to the time zone issue. Nobody watches them on the east coast. Most couldn't even name the teams in the Pac 10. They are not media darlings like the SEC and Big 12. They just aren't.

It's not their fault they have to play the Big 10 losers every year. They don't get a chance. Is Oregon State a worse team than Ole Miss?? Please.

Uh...how is it not their fault they have to play the Big 10 every year? Didn't they agree to the deal with the Rose Bowl? I wasn't aware that anyone held a gone to the heads of conference commissioners and forced them to agree to bowl deals.

Last time I checked USC wasn't the President of the Pac 10 or Rose Bowl. Bowl Conference Affiliations are [deleted]. I have no idea how long that conference tie is in place. They are stuck there unless it's Rose's year for the National Championship game (UT vs USC)

[abezontar]

Sorry, I disagree.

There might not be any Pac 10 bashing per se, but they never get the amount of credit due to the time zone issue. Nobody watches them on the east coast. Most couldn't even name the teams in the Pac 10. They are not media darlings like the SEC and Big 12. They just aren't.

It's not their fault they have to play the Big 10 losers every year. They don't get a chance. Is Oregon State a worse team than Ole Miss?? Please.

Uh...how is it not their fault they have to play the Big 10 every year? Didn't they agree to the deal with the Rose Bowl? I wasn't aware that anyone held a gone to the heads of conference commissioners and forced them to agree to bowl deals.

Last time I checked USC wasn't the President of the Pac 10 or Rose Bowl. Bowl Conference Affiliations are [deleted]. I have no idea how long that conference tie is in place. They are stuck there unless it's Rose's year for the National Championship game (UT vs USC)

Nor is USC required to maintain it's conference affiliation.

[Pony_Fan]

huh??????

where else they going to go?

[EastStang]

huh??????

where else they going to go?

They could start the western Ivy League with Stanford, USC, BYU, AFA, SMU, Baylor, TCU, Rice and Tulsa. Wouldn't that be fun! Or they could be independent like ND.