Dale Hanson Reappraised

[couch 'em]

No that's wrong. There is no evidence which demonstrates any other school whose violations were as repetitive and egregious from top to bottom as SMU's were in from the late 70s to the mid-80s.

Had SMU been the only school cheating at that level, we would have been undefeated every game and have the top players from around the country at every position.

[jtstang]

Where's your evidence? Looking at W-L records strikes me as a bit circumstantial.

[PK]

There is no evidence which demonstrates any other school whose violations were as repetitive and egregious from top to bottom as SMU's were in from the late 70s to the mid-80s. We practically invented the term lack of institutional control. SMU's conduct is the standard for deserving the death penalty, and nobody else has done what SMU did.

I think it might actually be more correct to say...nobody else has been caught doing what SMU did. Just because nobody else has been caught doing it does not prove one way or the other that nobody else has done what SMU did.

[BIGHORSE]

Skrew Dale Hansen and all who love him!!!

[kull]

[deleted] dale hansen. he is an donkey. What he did back in the 80's was justified; his personality is not justifiable.

[EastStang]

According to the NCAA database, Jim Wacker and the Frogs in 1986 were hit for violations from 1979 to 1985. Texas A&M was hit for violations during the Sherrill ear in 1988 and 1994 which were repeat offenses. Remember Eric Dickerson's maroon car and that story? And then there's OU, with Barry (Gunrunner) Switzer. 1973 Extra benefits and inducements, 1980 - improper inducements, and 1988 - extra inducements, and I didn't even talk about Alabama. So, yes there were some rogues out there. And yes we deserved what we got. But let's not pollyanna things by saying that we were the worst there ever was. We were the most in your face - blatant (except for maybe Fresno State when they hired Tark after his ban from coaching was lifted by the Courts). TCU kept under the radar for 6 years with huge violations. A&M basically did things on the sly as did OU, but in the end they all got caught doing something.

[jtstang]

There is no evidence which demonstrates any other school whose violations were as repetitive and egregious from top to bottom as SMU's were in from the late 70s to the mid-80s. We practically invented the term lack of institutional control. SMU's conduct is the standard for deserving the death penalty, and nobody else has done what SMU did.

I think it might actually be more correct to say...nobody else has been caught doing what SMU did. Just because nobody else has been caught doing it does not prove one way or the other that nobody else has done what SMU did.

Fair enough. But to punish them you have to catch them.

[ALEX LIFESON]

Does anyone have the link of that special report? Yes we were guilty, it was also one of the biggest ambush jobs in history. I can still remember watching it live that night, screaming at HLP, BC, and BH to get up and walk out of the room! These were not FBI agents holding them against their will, but, I think they were so shell shocked, thery were frozen, like deer in the headlights.

[ozfan]

We deserved what we got from the NCAA; at least a dozen other schools also deserved it, but Hansen wasn't a reporter in that city.

No that's wrong. There is no evidence which demonstrates any other school whose violations were as repetitive and egregious from top to bottom as SMU's were in from the late 70s to the mid-80s. We practically invented the term lack of institutional control. SMU's conduct is the standard for deserving the death penalty, and nobody else has done what SMU did.

SMU was light gray in the 50s but not black like OU. SMU lost some good talent to OU. There were times when a few days before fall drills would began a player would go up to Norman and come back driving a new car loaded with new clothes saying he decided to attend OU. Happened more than once. But it was in all the conferences. The pacific coast conference had a large slush fund scandal in 1959 but the schools involved admitted it. SMU did not admit the payments and p--sed off the NCAA and we all know the results.

[No Quarter]

Some one will correct me on this if I'm wrong.

One story I heard at the time was that SMU was going to try to lie out of it at the NCAA hearing. Unfortunately the big tackle from Pennslyvania, highly touted but with a bum knee, had kept a recruiting diary of all his experiences and the NCAA had that record. The SMU reps were not prepared to respond to the contents of the diary. SMU's inability to respond was a telling blow. SMU was already on probation at the time of new violations that could not be denied and that was a difference between SMU and some others who received lesser punishments.

The story about the diary would have been about third - fourth hand out of the SMU locker room at the time and I suspect it was accurate. The big tackle never played at SMU or anywhere, never got over the knee injury.

Certainly that Murray deal at A&M smelled to high heaven also.

I think there is a comment above to the effect that if Clements had come clean the consequences for SMU might have been much less. Perhaps the same might be said if SMU had turned Clements out. Someone else might have become governor. Clements might not eventually have donated as much to SMU. Lots of "what ifs."

[Stallion]

David Stanley was the player that eventually nailed us. But Sean Stopperich out of Pennsyvannia was also involved. There were SMU alumini who were recruiting players SMU Coaches weren't even recruiting from what I heard. Stopperich was one of them. There was a group of SMU alumni who were completely out of control.

[jtstang]

Does anyone have the link of that special report? Yes we were guilty, it was also one of the biggest ambush jobs in history. I can still remember watching it live that night, screaming at HLP, BC, and BH to get up and walk out of the room! These were not FBI agents holding them against their will, but, I think they were so shell shocked, thery were frozen, like deer in the headlights.

Knucklestang linked it earlier in the thread. And it is just as you describe.

[ALEX LIFESON]

Does anyone have the link of that special report? Yes we were guilty, it was also one of the biggest ambush jobs in history. I can still remember watching it live that night, screaming at HLP, BC, and BH to get up and walk out of the room! These were not FBI agents holding them against their will, but, I think they were so shell shocked, thery were frozen, like deer in the headlights.

Knucklestang linked it earlier in the thread. And it is just as you describe.

I meant the full report, the whole show was around 30 minutes.

[friarwolf]

For me, Hansen was a must watch as much for his "can you believe I have this job" attitude than for his ability as a sports reporter. His comment, "I'd do this gig for free" talking about being the color guy on Cowboy broadcasts was exactly what most of us would have said. Unfortunately, in the early to mid -90's, he began believing he was the story and lost everything that made him so enjoyable to watch. I haven't watched him in over 10 years and won't. If you have ever heard the Ticket clip where Dan McDowell rightfully challenged him and Hansen blew up and pouted on air is radio gold. It revealed him for what he has become...............

[ontheedgeofmyseat]

SMU was arrogant through all this............NO!?!