After watching Mike Leach videos...

[Mestengo]

You are missing my entire point. First off I’m not a puss LOL . I’m just saying that if it’s ok for football coaches to talk this way it should be perfectly fine for President Turner to address the news media in the same way. It’s a double standard and it is accepted. But it is wrong. And it will change eventually.

Imagine this at a news conference.
I would like to [deleted] thank you for coming out today to the men’s basketball game. If any of you cry baby mother [deleted] would like to cancel your tickets because of poor performance. Well go ahead you mother [deleted].

See my point?

Or for example your employer allows the top producer in the office to drop F bombs but no one else can for fear of job loss. Come on people get the point


Perhaps I'm a little more sensitive to this after my friend was cursed by UCF head coach George O’Leary when he collapsed at two a-days, then died and coach lied about it.


http://collegefootballpickoftheweek.blo ... death.html

[rich59]

What I heard was that Leach used that same language in the President's office at TT when they asked him to apologise to the James family and he declined.

[Mestengo]

Well everbody has to serve someone...

[Water Pony]

Coaching Young Men:
1. Ranting does not equal coaching. If he had specifics for the team, it was lost on me.
2. Motivating? Only if you need to be belittled. Doesn't work for me.
3. Teacher? Yes, if the subject is Lack of Character 101
4. He's a coward. Easy to do, when the young men can't talk back.

[Water Pony]

Accuser James testifies in Leach's lawsuit against Texas Tech
March 13, 2010
CBSSports.com wire reports

LUBBOCK, Texas -- Mike Leach sat across from his accuser Saturday as Craig James gave sworn testimony in the former coach's lawsuit against Texas Tech.

James, whose complaint of mistreatment of his son led to Leach's firing, declined to comment as he walked into the university's administration building before his deposition.

Leach gave more than five hours of sworn testimony Friday. When asked if he would be questioning James, he said, "I'm not allowed to."

Adam James, the son of the ESPN analyst and former NFL player, was to testify under oath later Saturday. Leach will not be in the room when the younger James gives his deposition.

The university fired Leach Dec. 30, two days after suspending him amid allegations he mistreated Adam James, who had a concussion. Adam James contends his coach twice ordered him to stand for hours while confined in a dark place during practice.

Leach has denied mistreating the receiver and suspects an $800,000 bonus he was to have received Dec. 31 was the reason he was fired. His lawsuit includes allegations of libel and slander and breach of contract. Leach had just completed the first year of a five-year, $12.7 milliion deal that came after months of negotiations.

One of Leach's lawyers said Friday that depositions from Texas Tech chancellor Kent Hance and a school attorney bolstered the former coach's contention that he didn't mistreat Adam James and that Leach had a right to sue the school "without fear of retribution."

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[SMU2007]

i am embarrassed for this country when people think this kind of talk is "out of line". he is trying to motivate 18-22 year old kids, not address the media. his "ranting" really is not that offensive in any way, shape or form.

[couch 'em]

Many of the same people trashing Leach were Bennett-lovers; Bennett had the SAME language as Leach! How's that for double standard?

[mrydel]

i am embarrassed for this country when people think this kind of talk is "out of line". he is trying to motivate 18-22 year old kids, not address the media. his "ranting" really is not that offensive in any way, shape or form.

Just so I understand you correctly, this is the way that our teachers in schools should speak to motivate our youth to do better. Cursing and belittling those that have belief in God should be the motivation for excellence?

[RGV Pony]

Many of the same people trashing Leach were Bennett-lovers; Bennett had the SAME language as Leach! How's that for double standard?

yup. and how pitiful was it that the flagship church for the denomination which created SMU complained on mulitple occasions about Bennett's rants traveling across the street to the playground.

[rich59]

myrdel, ditto! I was really surprised at the language in the video. I thought that Leach was much more literate. I have used the same words and heard them used by others. Does not mean that using that language is effective or desirable with young men in college.

[Longtime]

The cussing doesn't bother me. It's no different than the way most college guys talk when their parents aren't around. Most of the time Leach is in a controlled rage, not the out-of-control ranting and raving I was expecting.

What's curious is the circumstance, particularly the video after the Baylor game. It was the end of the season, nothing left but the bowl game, and he chooses that opportunity to berate his team, going on and on ad nauseum. There's plenty of time to make your point as the team prepares for the bowl game, or heading into spring practice, but this had obviously gotten under Leach's skin.

I think Leach lost this team after the Houston game, and I think he knew it, too.With the growing animosity between him and the TTU administration his only leverage was winning. He had to get this team to peform way over its head to match last year's success, and he was going to do whatever it took to motivate them.

It was after the Houston game that one of the team's most popular players was suspended for an incident in the locker room, and later some players began posting disgruntled Twitters about Leach's behavior. I don't know what happened in that lockerroom at Houston, but I sure would love to see that postgame video.

Also, these two videos were after WINS (Baylor and Kansas). Can only imagine what he was like after a loss.

[BUS]

There is an ice machine in the back... and, the news broke that the doors were never locked.

[Longtime]

Let's cut through all the crap about whether it was or wasn't a closet, what was in there, whether it was locked, yadda yadda yadda.

The fact is a player was singled out for a unique and potentially cruel form of punishment, one that was intended to isolate, scare and humiliate him. Arguing about whether it was a shed or a closet or an equipment room is irrelevant. The psychological impact is the same. Torture can be psychological as well as physical. And making Adam Jones stand in a dark, enclosed area for an hour or more is akin to torture - or at least it's similar to how police try to psychologically break down suspects - and has nothing to do with football.

The door didn't have to be locked for it to be considered confinement. It was enough that Leach ordered him to stand in a small, darkened space with a student trainer standing guard. At that point he is being treated like a captive, not a football player. Putting people in confined spaces and giving them no information as to what to expect or when they would be released is how you treat criminals and terrorism suspects. It has no place in college football or a university setting.

Make him run stadium steps at dawn, have the strength coach wear his a** out til he pukes. But leave the solitary confinement stuff to the guys running prisons and Guatanamo.

[rich59]

Amen, Longtime