Hance-Expansion Simply Matter of Adding States/Population

[East Coast Mustang]

TCU has a problem getting any of the big boys to even play them OOC. They know there is a great chance TCU would beat them. Why add a team that is going to knock you out of a BCS game if all other criteria is comparatively equal? And I won't say they "absolutely, positively, wouldn't", but it is something to think about.

Money. Eyeballs. More people would rather watch a TCU game than an SMU game.

[mathman]

TCU has a problem getting any of the big boys to even play them OOC. They know there is a great chance TCU would beat them. Why add a team that is going to knock you out of a BCS game if all other criteria is comparatively equal? And I won't say they "absolutely, positively, wouldn't", but it is something to think about.

Money. Eyeballs. More people would rather watch a TCU game than an SMU game.

And you know this for a fact how??
There are people on the TCU site that are worried about this very idea I just posted. Again, I have no idea what the thinking is, but there is logic to it. Can't imagine there are that many more folks that would rather watch TCU than SMU anyway. Especially with the offense we run now. You could be right but... so could I.

[East Coast Mustang]

And you know this for a fact how??
There are people on the TCU site that are worried about this very idea I just posted. Again, I have no idea what the thinking is, but there is logic to it. Can't imagine there are that many more folks that would rather watch TCU than SMU anyway. Especially with the offense we run now. You could be right but... so could I.

TCU has eleven televised games this year. We have five, I believe. Thye're playing at Jerryworld, we're not. These are the things that matter: money, exposure

EDIT: We have six televised games this year, but my point stands.

[mathman]

I don't know so I am asking. How many of those eleven televised games are The Mountain network? How many are on ESPN?

[East Coast Mustang]

I don't know so I am asking. How many of those eleven televised games are The Mountain network? How many are on ESPN?

We both have 2 on ESPN. They also have four on Versus and four on CBS Sports TV, so one on The Mtn I guess.

[WSGJ]

I don't have a clue what these guys are thinking of doing but once again I will ask this question. Suppose that you and 10 of your buddies are playing a game and you need one more guy to jump in and play. You have two candidates that would pay $100 to get in the game. One of the guys that wants to get in the game is way better than most of us and might actually win the game. The other guy is average and would probably wind up in the middle of the pack. All other things being comparatively equal, I know who I would invite to join us.

I know this is oversimplified but I am asking what is wrong with the logic. SMU and TCU would bring in the same market. Right now TCU travels better than SMU but what school is going to care about that. They will be selling out the game anyway with their own fans.

Again, I am just throwing this out there. I just think there is a possibility that the fact that TCU is as good as they are might hurt more than help.

In that case, why would this scenario not include UNT. They have a terrible program now, but they have a HUGE alumni base in N. Texas. I throw up thinking about it but could they even be a better option than SMU and TCU??

[CalallenStang]

And you know this for a fact how??
There are people on the TCU site that are worried about this very idea I just posted. Again, I have no idea what the thinking is, but there is logic to it. Can't imagine there are that many more folks that would rather watch TCU than SMU anyway. Especially with the offense we run now. You could be right but... so could I.

TCU has eleven televised games this year. We have five, I believe. Thye're playing at Jerryworld, we're not. These are the things that matter: money, exposure

EDIT: We have six televised games this year, but my point stands.

They have that many televised games because the MWC has a dedicated TV channel and a good TV contract, and more people want to watch TCU than Wyoming.

In a world with conference-specific television contracts, you can't compare the number of television appearances from one team to another.

What Stallion posted basically said "We aren't taking any Texas team in any market that we already have covered."

[East Coast Mustang]

They have that many televised games because the MWC has a dedicated TV channel and a good TV contract, and more people want to watch TCU than Wyoming.

Are you referring to The Mountain?

[CalallenStang]

They have that many televised games because the MWC has a dedicated TV channel and a good TV contract, and more people want to watch TCU than Wyoming.

Are you referring to The Mountain?

Yes, which the MWC has to fill up with games. They also have to give games to Versus and CBS College (and CBSC's contract with the MWC takes priority over its contract with CUSA) so ask yourself, which of these games would go where on a given weekend.

TCU - Colorado State
Wyoming - New Mexico
BYU - UNLV
Utah - San Diego State
(Air Force - Bye)

In this scenario, TCU - Colorado State is going to be on Versus, because no one wants to watch BYU or Utah against terrible programs and Wyoming-New Mexico has zero fan interest from anyone. So BYU and Utah would go to CBS C, and Wyoming-New Mexico would go to the mtn.

Now, imagine this scenario

Utah - Air Force
BYU - New Mexico
TCU - UNLV
Wyoming - San Diego State
Colorado State - insert weak non-conference team here

In this scenario, Utah-Air Force will be on Versus, having the most national appeal. BYU-New Mexico and TCU-UNLV will be on CBS C, and Wyoming-SDSU and CSU-??? will be on the mtn.

Take the second scenario above and imagine it under CUSA's contract, which includes games on CBS C and some games (not every week, even) on ESPN.

Utah - Air Force would take the ESPN spot, or fall to CBS C if ESPN didn't give the conference a spot that week.
BYU - New Mexico would take the CBS C spot if Utah-AF was on ESPN, if not, it would be televised locally. It has more appeal than TCU-UNLV due to BYU's larger and more national fan base.
TCU-UNLV, Wyo-SDSU, and CSU-??? would all go untelevised.

[Longtime]

This is a longshot, but our best bet for Big 12 inclusion is as a defensive move by the Big 12.

If the four-superconference theory plays out, the SEC will be eyeballing available Texas schools. Texas is the gigantic media market next door to them.

Big 12 is already worried about the SEC and CBS deal, televising SEC games into Texas homes every Saturday. And that's broadcast, not cable/satellite. Eventually that's going to cultivate some SEC fans who would otherwise latch onto Big 12 schools. It's not a major impact, but it's a foothold. Think about all the people who are Braves fans across the country because they could get the games on TBS.

Big 12 could add some combination of SMU, TCU and Houston just to keep the SEC out of the state. (Don't see Rice as being a fit for the SEC.) Again, it's a longshot, but the SEC is a threat to any bordering or overlapping conference.

[NickSMU17]

This is a longshot, but our best bet for Big 12 inclusion is as a defensive move by the Big 12.

If the four-superconference theory plays out, the SEC will be eyeballing available Texas schools. Texas is the gigantic media market next door to them.

Big 12 is already worried about the SEC and CBS deal, televising SEC games into Texas homes every Saturday. And that's broadcast, not cable/satellite. Eventually that's going to cultivate some SEC fans who would otherwise latch onto Big 12 schools. It's not a major impact, but it's a foothold. Think about all the people who are Braves fans across the country because they could get the games on TBS.

Big 12 could add some combination of SMU, TCU and Houston just to keep the SEC out of the state. (Don't see Rice as being a fit for the SEC.) Again, it's a longshot, but the SEC is a threat to any bordering or overlapping conference.

Big 12 north will be gone by the end of summer...our fate lies with what Texas does and how blown up the Big 12 gets...Top to Bottom it is not a player relative to Pac 10, Big 10 or SEC...it will be pushed around like a little brother....

[that's great raplh]

Oh well, that's it fellas, it's over. What do we do now Stallion? Will you lead us?

I will lead

[gostangs]

Longtime is on to something. Im not saying this a sure thing by any means - but if UT/ATM want to defend 4 of the top TV markets in the country then they might defend their flank by asking in TCU SMU and Houston....If they dont then we make a nice SEC addition - new top 5 TV market and some major SEC recruiting in-roads. We will pay a big buy in, take a smaller cut and build some bigger facilities

[westexSMU]

Prediction...Gone from Big 12 North Missouri, Nebraska to Big 10 ,then Colorado to Pac 10....Gone from Big 12 South Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Okla. State to SEC. New conference forms from Mtn West, Big 12, and hopefully CUSA leftovers. Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, SMU (hopefully), Houston and ???. Also Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, BYU, Colorado State and ??? (Utah to PAC 10)

[West Coast Johnny]

I laugh at the ball-less wonders like Hance at Tech and everyone at Baylor who think a football conference is like a TV show. For Hance, the quality of football doesn't matter. Its all about TV ratings and the national spotlight. Note to the Big 12 - If you really care about TV ratings and markets, why don't you toss Tech and Baylor onto the the scrap heap. Who cares about the Lubbock & Waco markets.

The Big 10 considering Rutgers is probably the prime example of the shortsightedness of college conferences. Rutgers, a university with zero credibility athletically - that has tried and failed at athletics for 150 years, is about to get invited into the premiere athletic conference in the country - just because it is 150 miles from NYC. (By the way, Rutgers is barely a blip on the radar screen of the major media in NYC).

The fact is that Tech an Baylor are scared crapless of an emerging TCU (and hopefully an emerging SMU soon). The frogs have passed the Sand-Aggies in Lubbock and Puritans in Waco on the football field and since Hance can't compete, he will try to relegate TCU to a B-League. Check your scroti - Hance, your wife keeps it in tupperware in the freezer.