Thoughts on Kyle's struggles?

[RE Tycoon]

One difference I've noticed with Kyle is that after he drops back, he does a little bounce as he goes through his progressions. I even saw this on some practice footage one of the news stations showed this week. I don't recall him doing this last year.

It's probably no big deal and I'm sure JJ being a QB guru would have noticed it immediately and stopped it if it was detrimental, but it has me thinking. At the very least, it speaks to the fact last year he was dropping back and firing a pass whereas this year it's drop back and bounce for 5 seconds and then scramble or get sacked. He needs to go back to getting the ball out quick.

[smuuth]

Struggles? You have got to be joking! Are you new to the program? Have you forgotten the interceptions from the previous two years before Kyle where we were able to "snag defeat from the jaws of victory" several times including bigtime against WSU. Without Kyle we are looking at an 0-3 record. QB's are going to throw incompletions and interceptions....sometimes it is their fault, sometimes the coaching, sometimes the receivers, sometimes the blocking and sometimes the other guys are just better-coached or they make the play on the ball while our receiver doesn't! I guess you are the same guy who would say Josh Hamilton is struggling because he makes outs .639 of the time when batting.

[Mestengo]

People have eyes.

[couch 'em]

Struggles? You have got to be joking! Are you new to the program? Have you forgotten the interceptions from the previous two years before Kyle where we were able to "snag defeat from the jaws of victory" several times including bigtime against WSU. Without Kyle we are looking at an 0-3 record. QB's are going to throw incompletions and interceptions....sometimes it is their fault, sometimes the coaching, sometimes the receivers, sometimes the blocking and sometimes the other guys are just better-coached or they make the play on the ball while our receiver doesn't! I guess you are the same guy who would say Josh Hamilton is struggling because he makes outs .639 of the time when batting.

Everyone can see that the offense is very inconsistent and Padron appears to be holding on to the ball a long time. There have been no real big plays save one.

You can look at Hawaii with June and then look here and notice there is a problem.

If BLM were the QB we would be very happy to have these numbers. But Padron is capable of far more than BM ever could.

[ponydawg]

Was surprised when Reinbold said that before Al's 73 yard td pass, our longest was 31 yards and that was a shuffle pass. The important part is they have improved each game. Hope we still see improvement against a tougher team Friday.

[rich59]

Some very insightful posts here, especially in comparison with some in the other threads. Many thanks to youall. The inefficiency of our offense this year is, I believe, a result of all the factors previously mentioned.

I have seen on TV many of the games TCU has played since Andy Dalton became their QB. He has progressed a great deal even though at times he has not looked very polished. I saw the Fiesta Bowl in person with a close friend, former SWC coach and a great at TCU. Dalton certainly looked, on the basis of that game against BS, not like a great QB. In fact, based on that performance, both my friend and I would have picked Padron over Dalton. Hopefully Padron and our offense will progress, just as Dalton and the TCU offense has.

Dalton has a lot of experience, they have a veteran, big and athletic OL, fine receivers and explosive RBs. An enviable combination. When Padron is a senior, perhaps we will have the same situation.

[NickSMU17]

Some very insightful posts here, especially in comparison with some in the other threads. Many thanks to youall. The inefficiency of our offense this year is, I believe, a result of all the factors previously mentioned.

I have seen on TV many of the games TCU has played since Andy Dalton became their QB. He has progressed a great deal even though at times he has not looked very polished. I saw the Fiesta Bowl in person with a close friend, former SWC coach and a great at TCU. Dalton certainly looked, on the basis of that game against BS, not like a great QB. In fact, based on that performance, both my friend and I would have picked Padron over Dalton. Hopefully Padron and our offense will progress, just as Dalton and the TCU offense has.

Dalton has a lot of experience, they have a veteran, big and athletic OL, fine receivers and explosive RBs. An enviable combination. When Padron is a senior, perhaps we will have the same situation.

Finally someone with some eyes on this board...Excellent commentary

[TexKev12]

......ok, I'll say it.......HE'S NOT VERY GOOD!!!!!!!

[RE Tycoon]

......ok, I'll say it.......HE'S NOT VERY GOOD!!!!!!!

Let the game come to you. You're trying too hard.

[rich59]

Once again, it is shovel pass, not shuffle pass. It is usually an underhanded pass behind the line of scrimmage kind of like scooping a shovelfull of dirt and throwing it. Hence shovel pass. Long ago, before the option became popular, most teams had a play where a back flared behind the line of scrimmage and the QB or one of the other backs if the single wing was being used, "shoveled" the ball to him. Many announcers on TV call it a shuffle pass but they are uninformed.

When the option play in the Split T came in, since the QB was going down the line with the ball before pitching, the distace was short and he kind of "bean bagged" it. Sometimes the shovel pass is used today on a quick pitch out of the T formation.

[cutter]

When the option play in the Split T came in, since the QB was going down the line with the ball before pitching, the distace was short and he kind of "bean bagged" it.

so......why don't they call it the bean-bag pass?????

[ponydawg]

Once again, it is shovel pass, not shuffle pass. It is usually an underhanded pass behind the line of scrimmage kind of like scooping a shovelfull of dirt and throwing it. Hence shovel pass. Long ago, before the option became popular, most teams had a play where a back flared behind the line of scrimmage and the QB or one of the other backs if the single wing was being used, "shoveled" the ball to him. Many announcers on TV call it a shuffle pass but they are uninformed.

When the option play in the Split T came in, since the QB was going down the line with the ball before pitching, the distace was short and he kind of "bean bagged" it. Sometimes the shovel pass is used today on a quick pitch out of the T formation.

Padron was shuffling his feet at the time he was shoveling the ball......it was to close to tell.

[Harry0569]

Although I have watched from afar, Andy Dalton's play has really grown on me. As a first year starter, the Frogs could blame their lack of team-wide success on Dalton. He really hindered their offensive production. (10TD, 11 ints, 16 sacks). He has really matured and become TCU's best offensive weapon (besides Kerley). I am very impressed with his maturity and improvement over the past 4 years.

With that said, I hope that we see the same growth from KP. Under June Jones tutelage, I fully expect Kyle to grow into a top QB in D-I. He is obviously going through some growing pains, and that should be fully expected. There will be a do or die point in his career, and hopefully Kyle will respond and take it to the next level. Hopefully, that point will be this year (Friday?!). When it happens, our offense will become unstoppable.

[cutter]

Once again, it is shovel pass, not shuffle pass. It is usually an underhanded pass behind the line of scrimmage kind of like scooping a shovelfull of dirt and throwing it. Hence shovel pass. Long ago, before the option became popular, most teams had a play where a back flared behind the line of scrimmage and the QB or one of the other backs if the single wing was being used, "shoveled" the ball to him. Many announcers on TV call it a shuffle pass but they are uninformed.

When the option play in the Split T came in, since the QB was going down the line with the ball before pitching, the distace was short and he kind of "bean bagged" it. Sometimes the shovel pass is used today on a quick pitch out of the T formation.

Padron was shuffling his feet at the time he was shoveling the ball......it was to close to tell.

so, if I got this right.......it was really the shuffling shovel pass?

[ponydawg]

Once again, it is shovel pass, not shuffle pass. It is usually an underhanded pass behind the line of scrimmage kind of like scooping a shovelfull of dirt and throwing it. Hence shovel pass. Long ago, before the option became popular, most teams had a play where a back flared behind the line of scrimmage and the QB or one of the other backs if the single wing was being used, "shoveled" the ball to him. Many announcers on TV call it a shuffle pass but they are uninformed.

When the option play in the Split T came in, since the QB was going down the line with the ball before pitching, the distace was short and he kind of "bean bagged" it. Sometimes the shovel pass is used today on a quick pitch out of the T formation.

Padron was shuffling his feet at the time he was shoveling the ball......it was to close to tell.

so, if I got this right.......it was really the shuffling shovel pass?

Right, or the shuffle pass for short.