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Re: Ohio State

Postby HB Pony Dad » Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:46 am

mrydel wrote:
Junior wrote:Can't wait to see Buckeye Excess.

Very good. I was thinking perhaps "The Ohio State Blackeyes", or "I Thought I Saw a Pretty Tat". Maybe "Pryor to the Fall". Or finally "OSUR Guilty".



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Re: Ohio State

Postby peruna81 » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:10 am

stc9 wrote:With the amount of bad press the NCAA has had in the past 12 months. If they don't throw the book at OSU then all bets are off. College football will look more like it did in the 1980s than anything else, because all of the BCS Schools will realize there are no consequences to bad behavior. We would be screwed, but we are not a BCS school (yet).

Does anyone know when the infractions committee meeting for UNC is going to be? I think that will also give us an indication on what is going to happen here.


heard this morning that there is a meeting in August of this year re OSU and the NCAA...preliminary stuff, mind you...I'm sure they will get it 'all worked out' by then.
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Re: Ohio State

Postby lwjr » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:13 am

I truely believe as long as 100,000 plus keep showing up for College Football games all over the country the NCAA will do nothing other than a slap on the wrist. To much money at stake to mess with that golden goose.
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Re: Ohio State

Postby Mitch McConnell » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:22 am

And yet I was blasted when I called anything connected with the NCAA to be fraudulent including those bogus APR reports. They strip scholarships from schools who don't "keep up" academically according to the "standards" they put in place. But when it comes to anything else, it's just nothing but a moving target.

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Re: Ohio State

Postby Water Pony » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:32 am

Q&A on the situation at Ohio State from USA Today:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ ... t-qa_N.htm
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Re: Ohio State

Postby HB Pony Dad » Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:09 pm

:shock: :shock: :shock:

"I guess if you were in the military, we would say we lost a fine comrade in this whole thing," said Alabama's Nick Saban, who was an assistant coach with Tressel at OSU in 1981. "He's a good friend. He's been somebody that I've had a tremendous amount of respect for."


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Re: Ohio State

Postby EastStang » Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:32 pm

John Feinstein's column in the Washington Post today indicated that NCAA is not going after these stiff penalties anymore because they fear the BCS schools will just up and leave and then have no rules. If they whack Ohio State can Auburn be far behind? Keep in mind that a BCS exodus from the NCAA would be a permanent separation for SMU. I doubt that the NCAA would allow us to play historical rivals now in the BCS (think TCU, Baylor, TT, TAMU) and to be honest, we wouldn't want to. Would schools like Duke, Vandy, Northwestern and Stanford join a BCS that was in essence professional? And what about other sports where smaller schools have thrived like lacrosse, like Ice Hockey, like baseball.
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Re: Ohio State

Postby mrydel » Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:39 pm

I have always thought Auburn to be a prime target for some major sanctions. Since Alabama has 2 successful SEC schools, the dowgrading of one would not have the same hardship on a state as would some like Arkansas or even Ohio State. I do believe OSU is going to get something similar to USC but Auburn had better watch out.
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Re: Ohio State

Postby HB Pony Dad » Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:15 pm

mrydel wrote:I have always thought Auburn to be a prime target for some major sanctions. Since Alabama has 2 successful SEC schools, the dowgrading of one would not have the same hardship on a state as would some like Arkansas or even Ohio State. I do believe OSU is going to get something similar to USC but Auburn had better watch out.


The NCAA's whores will never whack a TV $$$ producing State Funded U like a small private University.

USC, like SMU, is a private school but one with a bigger enrollment. USC football is a marquee name for the NCAA, but hardly the sacred cow Ohio State represents.

Shut down a major power broker like Ohio State? Fat chance. The Buckeyes, using a popular phrase during the recent financial crisis, are too big too fail. They wield too much power and make too much money -- much of that money ending up in NCAA coffers.

Kick around a small, private school like SMU? Sure.

A school with 60,000 students that is an instant TV ratings draw? Forget about it.



Buckeyes awaiting severe punishment

As for Auburn, I doubt will see anything as the NCAA has already stepped on their own "Richard" and wants the whole sorry Cam charade to fade away by the din of this OSU cacophony!

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Re: Ohio State

Postby mrydel » Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:22 pm

We shall see. I expect to be wrong, but the USC punishment leads me to believe the NCAA may be wanting to flex their muscles. Punishing one team harshly does not have near the effect of punishing 4 or 5. And if the wish to be effective, they are going to have to hit a big boy some day. That is why Auburn stands out to me.
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Re: Ohio State

Postby Stallion » Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:32 pm

yeah they just wacked USC-probably the No. 1 program in the last decade and they are at least continuing investigation of Ohio St a Top 10 program. There is an ongoing investigation of Oregon's street agent issues and they were in the Championship. So rather than bitch-I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. There is no doubt they have lessened the possibility of the severest penalty-because they did what SMU did not-they fired (or at least pushed out) the Coach. It took 10 years for the NCAA to discover SMU Payroll and that's was with the help of the Dallas newspaper investigations.
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Re: Ohio State

Postby HB Pony Dad » Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:37 pm

EastStang wrote:John Feinstein's column in the Washington Post ...


Ohio State’s Jim Tressel gets axed, but rotting wood remains in college athletics

This is a must read!
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Re: Ohio State

Postby Mitch McConnell » Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:42 pm

Stallion wrote:yeah they just wacked USC-probably the No. 1 program in the last decade and they are at least continuing investigation of Ohio St a Top 10 program. There is an ongoing investigation of Oregon's street agent issues and they were in the Championship. So rather than bitch-I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. There is no doubt they have lessened the possibility of the severest penalty-because they did what SMU did not-they fired (or at least pushed out) the Coach. It took 10 years for the NCAA to discover SMU Payroll and that's was with the help of the Dallas newspaper investigations.



Jerry Tarkanian sued the NCAA because of its bully-type tactics (selective enforcement tactics). By the time it was over, the NCAA was about to get creamed in court and was forced to settle.

And they were spineless throughout out the whole Fiesta Bowl fiasco. That was embarrassing.

There really needs to be a mass exodus of this morally bankrupt organization.
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Re: Ohio State

Postby Topper » Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:31 pm

Jerry Tarkanian sued the NCAA because of its bully-type tactics (selective enforcement tactics). By the time it was over, the NCAA was about to get creamed in court and was forced to settle.

And they were spineless throughout out the whole Fiesta Bowl fiasco. That was embarrassing.

There really needs to be a mass exodus of this morally bankrupt organization.[/quote
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With a couple of notable exceptions, most who post on this board agree with the Senator's correct assessment that the NCAA is a hypocritical behemoth that couldn't stand the scrutiny Tarkanian's lawsuit demanded. In addition to SMU and Tarkanian, the Houston Baptist gymnastics team was the most scrutinized NCAA member in the 80s. What does this tell you about them.

I remember Notre Dame's great Dallas Heisman winner coming back to Dallas for the Cotton Bowl in the 80s. SMU tried mightily to get him here but he went to ND. The local media did a big story about how he grew up in abject poverty in the Dallas ghetto. A couple of days before the game, he wrecked his brand new sports car and it made the papers. NCAA? Silent.
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Re: Ohio State

Postby Stallion » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:37 pm

I think Jerry Tarkanian cheated his ever-loving [deleted] off. I think that many complain about the NCAA lack an understanding of basic due process to properly analyze the job they are doing. The schools of the NCAA cut back on the enforcement staff of the NCAA so who is to blame for that-the NCAA or the schools themselves. I haven't seen a case that merited a Death Penalty that's for sure. Having lived through a Death Penalty and seen how many innocent people's lives (athletes, students, alumni, coaches and administrators) were scarred by the punishment I think you'd have to be CRAZY to realistically think the NCAA should have levied the Death Penalty on any football program since SMU. But then again some of you are CRAZY. Basically a program and university should be repeatedly shown to be rotten to the core without any institutional desire to clean up the cheating. See SMU.
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