Institutional Controls at Texas

[ponyte]

As more and more comes out (Auburn, OSU, Oregon) it is becoming more clear what some of these rules mean.

Clean program = not getting caught

A Lack of institutional control = getting caught.

[Treadway21]

As more and more comes out (Auburn, OSU, Oregon) it is becoming more clear what some of these rules mean.

Clean program = not getting caught

A Lack of institutional control = getting caught.

Actually, not getting caught = clean program

Getting caught = sucking up to the NCAA and the NCAA covering for you if you are a large state school.

Lack of institutional control only applies to S M U.

[HB Pony Dad]

As more and more comes out (Auburn, OSU, Oregon) it is becoming more clear what some of these rules mean.

Clean program = not getting caught

A Lack of institutional control = getting caught.

Actually, not getting caught = clean program

Getting caught = sucking up to the NCAA and the NCAA covering for you if you are a large state school.

Lack of institutional control only applies to S M U.

and her sister school USC!

[Stallion]

I don't have to defend UT. The facts speak for themselves which none of you care to factually dispute. 1) Texas doesn't recruit on the academic margins and has offered many times less marginal academic recruits than June Jones(defined as non-qualifiers and JUCOs who were not qualifiers out of high school). Undisputed. And they have no allegations that have been printed in about 20 years concerning major NCAA violations in decades. SMU has had about 4 probations including 2 since the DP since Texas has. Undisputed by any poster. Now they have a higher Academic Progress Rate too. By all standards they run a clean program by Institutional Control Standards.

[Treadway21]

Stallion thanks for the encore

[ponyte]

By all standards they run a clean program by Institutional Control Standards.

=not getting caught

[Stallion]

no reputable allegations anywhere either

[stc9]

By all standards they run a clean program by Institutional Control Standards.

I don't want to dragged into a battle over the academic side of things except to say UT has enough BS majors to keep the APR people happy and if you are the #1 team in the State you can be exceedingly selective on the kids you offer and still get outstanding talent. We don't have either of these luxuries. Not bashing UT, they just have more offerings in the academic arena (corresponding to their size) than we do. Their name carries huge weight in recruiting.

We have all heard the rumors about Whorns abusing some of the NCAA rules - nothing has ever been documented, but the rumors still float around. I think the OSU case is teaching us an important lesson, the big schools don't want to know. They all want plausible deniability. So as long as violations are not too ostentatious, then "goes along, gets along". When they become ostentatious, then it is the players' problem instead of the school's problem.

Treacle's downfall isn't that he lied to the NCAA, but that he lost plausible deniability. Once that happened he freaked and made a poor decision. Would Treacle still have his job if he was notified by a phone call rather than an e-mail? He would still have lied, but he would have kept his plausible deniability on the whole situation. Does Mack Brown or UT's compliance dept. do a better job than other universities? I don't know. I am fairly sure no offcial in Austin really wants to know either. The demand for knowledge only comes when the level of scrutiny increases. Right about now, OSU can't find out the details fast enough to head this thing off at the pass. UT is under little to no scrutiny, so there is no demand to start turning over rocks. Then again, there could be nothing to find.

[Nacho]

google cleve bryant. somehow the dmn didn't cover it. shocking.

[Nacho]

sorry that was cleve not steve.

[DiamondM]

While I get where Stallion's coming from to some degree -- some posters do sound like jealous crybabies with no factual basis for their complaints about Texas -- one the other hand, the absence of proven violations or "credible" allegations also does not prove that Texas, or anyone else, is clean. That is unless we're talking about Lance Armstrong, who we all "know "for sure never took any PEDs because he has never had a positive test, and all of the people who have made allegations cannot be trusted because they have vendettas (except maybe George Hincapie). (Sorry for the emoticon, but I just wanted to make sure my sarcasm was crystal clear).

I once chatted with an ex-Texas football player on an airplane. Maybe he was just blowing smoke up my arse, but he told me his "job" when he was at school, for which he was paid a decent wage, was to check out his window each night to make sure the lights in the stadium had been turned off. And his roommate had something similarly assinine which I can't recall right now. Is this a credible allegation of an NCAA violation, I don't know. But it just strikes me that maybe Texas is just more creative in the way it "complies" with the rules.

[BIGHORSE]

Most S.W.C. schools cheated in the 80's, the ncaa stopped our cheating in 87

what year did U.T. stop cheating?

[gostangs]

i think it is beyond any doubt that Texas has recruited very marginal citizens when it comes to drug use - they have an institutional control problem in that area that is factual and beyond denial. Facts in evidence prove it to be the case. You dont have to be a jealous Texas hater to have that opinion.

It is also not too much of a jump of logic to assume that if they (both the coaches and the "student athletes") ignore laws related to drug use they are not going to get too hung up about recruiting viloations that are only breaking NCAA rules, not actual laws. I personally have no doubt that they routinely break recruiting rules - along with every other top 20 program. When we are back in the top 20 - we will be breaking those rules also - because at this point you dont get to that level without doing so.

OJ was found not guilty - that doesnt mean he wasnt guilty. OSU was clean until they got scrutinized. Every other top 20 program cheats. UT does not have to do so as much as some others since the world comes their way - but lets not be nieve little children.

[Topper]

I am sure that I am older than most here, but I have a good memory. But when we went on probation in the '70s for paying players $15 for fumbles, UT was found to have a bunch of players on the payroll of the Capitol printing press office. Problem: There was no printing press office. This was probably a crime, but everyone shrugged and laughed it off because, after all, Darrell Royal was God and he won national championships, and boys will be boys.

In the 80s, a slew of UT players came forward to describe how they illegally sold their comp tickets to UT high rollers for way above the face value. Even the DMN reported this.

Results: No investigations opened. Just like organized crime that we see going on around us, certain people stand above the law. No one is naive enough to believe that a lack of confirmed violations = a clean program in the slimy world of the NCAA.

[soccermom]

And they have no allegations that have been printed in about 20 years concerning major NCAA violations in decades. [/quote]
When everyone chooses to look the other way or ignore the actions of players or coaches, or both, then nothing would be printed. Which is one of the reasons I hate them. As far as I'm concerned you can preach ut's "cleanliness" until you're blue in the face and I still wouldn't buy it.
KICK 'EM MUSTANGS!!