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Re: DMN- Will this be the breakout year for the R & S?

Postby PonySnob » Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:37 am

7-5..............yawn.
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Re: DMN- Will this be the breakout year for the R & S?

Postby The PonyGrad » Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:49 am

We lose to UCF at home after a two week layoff??
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Re: DMN- Will this be the breakout year for the R & S?

Postby Pony_Law » Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:53 am

There are some great posts in this thread about the R&S. Here are my two cents on it. I think we are running a pretty traditional R&S with the exception we have run the ball a little more than I think would be normal. I think we are running it more because in year 2 Bo was not a very good QB and Kyle was an off the bench true freshmen. Last year Kyle (was was thought of as a second year starter when he shouldn't have been) was still learning teh offense and struggling to properly read the Defense quickly. When Zack emerged as a really good running back it just made sense to make sure he got plenty of carries. Last year we did fine mving the ball and put up pretty standard R&S numbers as far as yards were concerned. The offense underproduced because Kyle had trouble identifying the deep play and we consistantly commited drive killing mistakes (turnovers and penelties). these mistakes are characteristic of a younge team which makes me optomistic we will see a big (like and extra 15 ppg this year) improvement.

Now on Kate's prediction. I Think it is a standard "team has some talent but I'm not confident" prediction. Basically no one has given SMU credit for being able to go on the road a beat a decent team because we haven't done that consistantly. If we do that this year which I think is likely conference championship is our likely result. Some of her picks are just wiered. For instance she has us losing to UCF even though its after a bye week and at home (rediculous).
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Re: DMN- Will this be the breakout year for the R & S?

Postby Alaric » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:06 pm

Stallion wrote:I'm not a Football Coach but I'm pretty damn sure that there is more than just 1 player on Offense. It wouldn't hurt for SMU to have more than 1-2 WRs a year that aren't possession type receivers. We've needed to upgrade our WRs just as much as our QB. No doubt both freshmen both were overwhelmed playing as Freshmen though. All receivers put up big numbers in the Run and Shoot-we need more receivers that can turn small plays into big plays. This year we have no established proven deep threat. Last year we basically played with 3 receivers and then since we need 4 on the field we threw Holman-who was not ready- or whoever else was availiable. Very unproductive at the 4th WR spot last for a Run and Shoot team.


Go to a practice now and you'll be shocked at the athleticism of our freshman and sophomore wr's. We definitely have been lacking in athleticism at wr before now. You'll need to be a stud here going forward to get pt at wr
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Re: DMN- Will this be the breakout year for the R & S?

Postby Alaric » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:06 pm

Stallion wrote:I'm not a Football Coach but I'm pretty damn sure that there is more than just 1 player on Offense. It wouldn't hurt for SMU to have more than 1-2 WRs a year that aren't possession type receivers. We've needed to upgrade our WRs just as much as our QB. No doubt both freshmen both were overwhelmed playing as Freshmen though. All receivers put up big numbers in the Run and Shoot-we need more receivers that can turn small plays into big plays. This year we have no established proven deep threat. Last year we basically played with 3 receivers and then since we need 4 on the field we threw Holman-who was not ready- or whoever else was availiable. Very unproductive at the 4th WR spot last for a Run and Shoot team.


Go to a practice now and you'll be shocked at the athleticism of our freshman and sophomore wr's. We definitely have been lacking in athleticism at wr before now. You'll need to be a stud here going forward to get pt at wr
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Re: DMN- Will this be the breakout year for the R & S?

Postby Dr Death » Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:10 pm

ponyscott wrote:Awesome posts Dr Death!...don't be a stranger here.



Thanks. I visit here a lot, just don't post much because I don't know a lot about the Mustang history... I know about the Death Penalty and the excruciating years afterwards and I sympathize w/ you fans who have weathered that storm. I do know the R&S and am always willing to jump in when that subject is posted about. I appreciate your sentiments.


PonyTime wrote:Dr. Death came over to our board with the move from JJ to the mainland. I greatly appreciate his insight and colorful commentary (as is his trademark).

Thanks!


Yeah... to me, the bolding and coloring breaks the posts up and makes them easier to read. Some may not like it... but hey, you can't please everyone. I've been following June since the USFL to the NFL and then to Hawaii. When he chose to come to SMU it was clear that I would become a Pony fan too.

And have faith... good things will happen here. He's one of the best coaches and teachers in football. He has everything at SMU that he lacked in Hawaii... support... an AD who is w/ him... and the state of Texas to recruit from.

As for the Mike Leach quote... yes, I am a huge Leach fan. He doesn't sugar coat things, he's not "politically correct" but he took kids the big schools didn't want and he won. I love the passing game and few do it better than Leach.
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Re: DMN- Will this be the breakout year for the R & S?

Postby skyscraper » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:37 pm

Some good posts on the R&S. Very nice.
As for the DMN story, it was lengthy b/c it's college football preview week and today was SMU's day.
I thought the predictions were pretty interesting. If what she predicts comes true, then SMU would lose 4 in a row (TCU, UCF, SoMiss, Tulsa) and be 3-5 by the end of October.
If that actually happened, this board would be in meltdown mode.
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Re: DMN- Will this be the breakout year for the R & S?

Postby leopold » Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:55 pm

Stallion wrote:I'm not a Football Coach but I'm pretty damn sure that there is more than just 1 player on Offense. It wouldn't hurt for SMU to have more than 1-2 WRs a year that aren't possession type receivers. We've needed to upgrade our WRs just as much as our QB. No doubt both freshmen both were overwhelmed playing as Freshmen though. All receivers put up big numbers in the Run and Shoot-we need more receivers that can turn small plays into big plays. This year we have no established proven deep threat. Last year we basically played with 3 receivers and then since we need 4 on the field we threw Holman-who was not ready- or whoever else was availiable. Very unproductive at the 4th WR spot last for a Run and Shoot team.


I, also, am not a football coach, but I do think this is a weakness of the RnS. Most good receiving teams have two good WR's, and you need more than that to make this system work. It is augmented somewhat by the productivity we get from our RB, but we will start off again with 3 WR's, since we have have TW back, and hopefully we can find a fourth - reason I asked if TW is a potential deep threat and if any FR have stepped up.
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Re: DMN- Will this be the breakout year for the R & S?

Postby Pony_Law » Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:13 pm

I mean darius, Beasley, Holman, and wilkinson is a pretty good top 4, plus there are some talented younger guys who could see reps. I think you don't need 4 great recievers for this system you just need 4 competent recievers because in any defense there is always space somewhere on the field and if the WR and QB are eading it right theywill always be in this space.
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Re: DMN- Will this be the breakout year for the R & S?

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Re: DMN- Will this be the breakout year for the R & S?

Postby GiddyUp » Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:35 pm

Hawaii did seem to have some very speedy guys running short routes who could fly after the catch during his '07 season. Colt was able to spread the ball out to multiple receivers the entire game. He had a great handle on the system. It was a lot of fun - I would try to watch a lot of games and I had no idea JJ was coming here. I've seen nothing that resembles that yet or even close (aside from Hawaii Bowl). Granted, that was his 9th year or whatever at the school.
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Re: DMN- Will this be the breakout year for the R & S?

Postby SMU 86 » Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:35 pm

She has us winning at Houston. If that happens we are definitely on our way.
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Re: DMN- Will this be the breakout year for the R & S?

Postby SMU 86 » Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:03 pm

skyscraper wrote:3-5 by the end of October.
If that actually happened, this board would be in meltdown mode.


I hope that 3-5 nor 4-4 is our record at that time. We need to have 5 wins at that time.
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Re: DMN- Will this be the breakout year for the R & S?

Postby PerunaPunch » Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:51 pm

GiddyUp wrote:Hawaii did seem to have some very speedy guys running short routes who could fly...

Yeah. That Ashlie Lelieh (or however it's spelled) was not exactly a slouch. :wink:
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Re: DMN- Will this be the breakout year for the R & S?

Postby RSFan » Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:11 am

Stallion wrote:I'm not a Football Coach but I'm pretty damn sure that there is more than just 1 player on Offense.
You are Correct Stallion, however the QB in the R&S creates the offense 60% of the plays. The QB is charged with the additional responsibility of reading the defense and Quickly making a decision to deliver the ball with the Accuracy necessary to enable any one of the four receivers to catch the ball without breaking stride or doing any acrobatic manuevers that would circumvent a run after catch opportunity. Dr. Death so clearly stated "you need to be smart and accurate and quick and decisive in your decision making". A QB with those qualities will push his receivers to Greatness. Colt sent four to the NFL, one a converted DB his senior year.

We've needed to upgrade our WRs just as much as our QB. All receivers put up big numbers in the Run and Shoot-we need more receivers that can turn small plays into big plays.

We must have a dozen good receivers this year waiting for the ball to be Delivered properly. I have been frustrated this camp reading the practice reports daily and have yet to hear of a pass from any of the QB's that wasn't thrown behind, low, diving or twisting the receiver all which negates the run after catch. We even brought out the garbage can and couldn't hit it.

This year we have no established proven deep threat.
Hail Mary, 15% last year, precursor to the three and out. Let's stay calm and do some mid range precision passing and develop some run after catch. If KP needs to loosen up, do it before the game starts, yell and scream get the blood circulating and run on the field like you want to kick some Aggies [deleted].

Last year we basically played with 3 receivers and then since we need 4 on the field we threw Holman-who was not ready- or whoever else was availiable. Very unproductive at the 4th WR spot last for a Run and Shoot team.

When the QB hits the receiver in the hands or chest and the ball falls to the ground it is the Receivers fault. Until then It is the responsibility of the QB to build rapore and trust, utilizing all his weapons, rather than justrelying on hail Mary or Beasely.


Now I hope KP has a great year because he has all the supporting tools he needs to deliver what JJ has promised, BCS. I do not want to see anymore frustration like we saw towards the end of last season that culminated into a running game.

One last note and question to Dr. Death, now that Colt Brennen has been pushed out of the league what do you think of recruiting him as an Assistant QB Coach at SMU? I think he could be the "hands on" leader by example that maybe KP and the rest need, sorta monkey see, monkey do may be what has been missing. He may also become a great recruiter.
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