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Re: Would there be any interest on the hilltop in UT's Gilbe

Postby goldenstang » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:41 pm

He would only have one year to play here if he were to transfer. He will get a medical redshirt for this season but that doesn't change the fact that he would have to sit out a year to transfer to another FBS school unless he could somehow graduate early.
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Re: Would there be any interest on the hilltop in UT's Gilbe

Postby NickSMU17 » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:46 pm

cant his year sitting out be his redshirt year...then he has 2
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Re: Would there be any interest on the hilltop in UT's Gilbe

Postby CalallenStang » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:54 pm

goldenstang wrote:He would only have one year to play here if he were to transfer. He will get a medical redshirt for this season but that doesn't change the fact that he would have to sit out a year to transfer to another FBS school unless he could somehow graduate early.


Incorrect. He never redshirted. He could use his redshirt for his transfer year and then the medical hardship waiver (NOT a redshirt) would allow him to have two years of eligibility.

He would be eligible in 2013 (and 2014 w/ medical hardship waiver)
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Re: Would there be any interest on the hilltop in UT's Gilbe

Postby AusTxPony » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:56 pm

I think his father was an SMU alum/football player, yes?
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Re: Would there be any interest on the hilltop in UT's Gilbe

Postby CalallenStang » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:59 pm

AusTxPony wrote:I think his father was an SMU alum/football player, yes?


football player yes, SMU alum no. He played for Cal-Berkeley.
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Re: Would there be any interest on the hilltop in UT's Gilbe

Postby goldenstang » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:27 pm

His redshirt is going to be this year now that he is done for the year. He will be a redshirt junior next year. He will still have to sit out a year if he transfers. You have to be injured for two seasons to get a sixth year they do not just give them out (see Case Keenum, Jason White and Jordan Shipley). It does not work how you guys think it works.


"A special case involves the eligibility of a player who loses the majority of a season to injury. Popularly known as a medical redshirt, a hardship waiver may be granted an athlete who appears in fewer than 30% of his or her team's competitions (with none coming after the midway point of the season), then suffers a season-ending injury. A player who is granted such a waiver is treated for the purposes of their eligibility as though he or she had not competed in that season.


On rare occasions, a player may be allowed to play in his or her sixth year of college if he or she suffered a serious injury which kept him or her from playing for more than one season. Former Oklahoma Sooners quarterback Jason White is perhaps the best known example of this, as he had redshirted his freshman year, then subsequently tore the ACL in both knees, causing him to miss nearly two years of eligible playing time."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_(college_sports)
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Re: Would there be any interest on the hilltop in UT's Gilbe

Postby Stang06 » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:39 pm

Regardless of the redshirt, medical redshirt, or eligibility questions, this kid is not that great. Even is high school all he did was hand the ball off and throw it deep. The guys has no other throws in his bag. The shot gun formation and under center have not worked for him, now you want him to transfer to a school were we throw 30-40 times a game. You must be kidding me, plus Kimme left because of teh depth in front of him and he was not going to play. i.e. Colt McCoy
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Re: Would there be any interest on the hilltop in UT's Gilbe

Postby LA_Mustang » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:47 pm

NickSMU17 wrote:GJ Kinne was terrible at UT as well, till he got to tulsa and let them to top 25 rank last year and BCS points...

How was he terrible at UT?? He never got in a game there.
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Re: Would there be any interest on the hilltop in UT's Gilbe

Postby Junior » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:53 pm

goldenstang wrote:His redshirt is going to be this year now that he is done for the year. He will be a redshirt junior next year. He will still have to sit out a year if he transfers. You have to be injured for two seasons to get a sixth year they do not just give them out (see Case Keenum, Jason White and Jordan Shipley). It does not work how you guys think it works.


"A special case involves the eligibility of a player who loses the majority of a season to injury. Popularly known as a medical redshirt, a hardship waiver may be granted an athlete who appears in fewer than 30% of his or her team's competitions (with none coming after the midway point of the season), then suffers a season-ending injury. A player who is granted such a waiver is treated for the purposes of their eligibility as though he or she had not competed in that season.


On rare occasions, a player may be allowed to play in his or her sixth year of college if he or she suffered a serious injury which kept him or her from playing for more than one season. Former Oklahoma Sooners quarterback Jason White is perhaps the best known example of this, as he had redshirted his freshman year, then subsequently tore the ACL in both knees, causing him to miss nearly two years of eligible playing time."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_(college_sports)

he won't be able to redshirt this year seeing as that he saw the field for beyond the minimum of one play. he already played! since he's played less than 20% of the snaps for the season, he'll be able to petition for another year after his initial eligibility expires. if he has to sit out a year to transfer to a FBS school, that would be his redshirt year.
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Re: Would there be any interest on the hilltop in UT's Gilbe

Postby goldenstang » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:05 pm

5 years to play 4, college football has been like this for awhile. Did you even read what I quoted.

"A player who is granted such a waiver is treated for the purposes of their eligibility as though he or she had not competed in that season."

What do you call it when a player sits out a season and does not play? I think the term is redshirt.

"On rare occasions, a player may be allowed to play in his or her sixth year of college if he or she suffered a serious injury which kept him or her from playing for more than one season. "

You only get a sixth year if you are hurt for more than one season. Gilbert has played in 09, 10, and 11. If he transfered he would have to sit out 2012. He would then be able to play in 2013. 2014 would be his sixth year. You don't do not get a sixth year unless you are hurt for more than 1 season thus Gilbert would not have a sixth year and would not be eligible to play in 2014.
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Re: Would there be any interest on the hilltop in UT's Gilbe

Postby Junior » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:10 pm

goldenstang wrote:5 years to play 4, college football has been like this for awhile. Did you even read what I quoted.

"A player who is granted such a waiver is treated for the purposes of their eligibility as though he or she had not competed in that season."

What do you call it when a player sits out a season and does not play? I think the term is redshirt.

"On rare occasions, a player may be allowed to play in his or her sixth year of college if he or she suffered a serious injury which kept him or her from playing for more than one season. "

You only get a sixth year if you are hurt for more than one season. Gilbert has played in 09, 10, and 11. If he transfered he would have to sit out 2012. He would then be able to play in 2013. 2014 would be his sixth year. You don't do not get a sixth year unless you are hurt for more than 1 season thus Gilbert would not have a sixth year and would not be eligible to play in 2014.

he didn't "sit out" this season. he is listed as having participated in game 1 and again in game 2. how do you figure that he has sat out so far this year?

so, seeing that rishaad wimbley only played in three plays last week, do you consider him to have sat out this season so far as well?
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Re: Would there be any interest on the hilltop in UT's Gilbe

Postby Buddha » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:11 pm

StallionsModelT wrote:That kid sucks. Recruiting services totally missed the boat on Gilbert Grape.

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Re: Would there be any interest on the hilltop in UT's Gilbe

Postby Junior » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:14 pm

and yes, i understand the 5 to play 4. he played one game his freshman year. against alabama.

he started all of last year.

he started 2 games this year.

by my math, he has played THREE years. if he transfers and has to sit out next year, that would be his redshirt year. the following year he would be eligible to play the 5th and final year of his initial eligibility.

after that year, he could apply for a medical hardship waiver.

where is my logic off?
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Re: Would there be any interest on the hilltop in UT's Gilbe

Postby goldenstang » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:27 pm

The logic is off because you only get a sixth year if you are hurt for more than one season. So far he is only hurt this season. You don't get a sixth year because you want to transfer schools.
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Re: Would there be any interest on the hilltop in UT's Gilbe

Postby Junior » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:36 pm

ok, i'll grant that part. i found reputable sites (not wikipedia) that talk about non-controllable medical issues for two year out of the initial five of eligibility.

but please explain your assertion that this year will be his redshirt year.
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