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Re: New Offense?

Postby alamocitystang » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:57 am

388 passing yards. Did we do that at all last year? Thought they looked pretty good. The holding call doesn't happen and we're looking at a different game. But they're gonna make mistakes in week one. Gilbert didn't. Awesome performance. I had the idea he really wanted to win
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Re: New Offense?

Postby Treadway21 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:25 am

Slowest most boring offense ever. Sorry GG played pretty well, but this offense is just way to one dimensional for me. There is only one speed. Slow. Tech put pressure on our d with their hurry up and we give their d plenty of time to rest and organize blitzes.
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Re: New Offense?

Postby mavsrage311 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:32 am

I think Hal's offense is a lot less vertical. I can only recall a couple of shots down the field. That might be what I like the least about the changes. I too liked the way Gaines was used, and I think he'll be a really good player for us for 4 years. The problem is we still roll out the same receivers that really struggled last year. Hopefully some more younger players force their way onto the field by the end of the year. If the Klemm departure and June ASU fiasco didn't happen, I think there'd be a lot more talent starting at WR for us. I thought Gilbert looked a lot better throwing the ball too. I'm not as mad as I normally would be after a loss like this, we just still don't have the horses to compete with Big 12 teams, as beatable as Tech was today. Unfortunately there's not a lot of help on the way, but that's a different subject for a different day.
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Re: New Offense?

Postby smusic 00 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:34 am

Agree. Was looking for the vertical routes. But when it worked, the offense was fun to watch.
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Re: New Offense?

Postby JasonB » Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:48 am

I think one side effect of the shorter routes, crossing routes and screens is that the running game won't be as effective. When you send all 4 wr on fly patterns and do a delayed handoff, it clears everything out.

It is too bad that we made just enough mistakes to lose. When it was 20-16, you could tell we needed to score the next touchdown or we would lose. We just couldn't quite put it together - holding on the TD throw, holding on the first down pass to the west side that ended a possession, a drop in space killed a possession.

It appeared to me that Gilbert had a difficult time transitioning to the deep ball in his progressions. If the short stuff was covered, he started looking at his line (with good cause) instead of the routes down the field.

Running backs weren't that effective because they weren't waiting for the holes to develop. That was something Zach figured out after half a season, so hopefully we pick it up.

RB blocking suffered after Shead got hurt. A couple of times, Prescott went after the wrong blitzer and GG had no chance.

I'm not completely ticked off by how we played, but am frustrated because the game was there for the tacking end of third, early fourth and the offense just didn't get it done through our own mistakes.
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Re: New Offense?

Postby SMU89 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:07 am

We needed a turnover or special teams play.

Had a nice FG right before the half.

No int's whic would have killed us.

Hope Shead will be OK. Having him for the whole game could have helped.

Need a W next week.
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Re: New Offense?

Postby newshound » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:20 am

We have no legit skill-position players. None. Especially at running back. While the receivers did a great job catching the ball, they cannot run away from anyone, much less break a tackle. And, since the scheme calls for passes to be caught "in space," as they say, the receivers are on their own to make yards after catch. Gonna be a VERY long season. Just be thankful Louisville is not on the schedule. We MIGHT beat Montana State (although North Dakota State stunned K-State already), but not seeing us score many points vs. TCU and A$M.
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Re: New Offense?

Postby SMUer » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:43 am

I don't know about you guys, but I saw the same offensive display
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Re: New Offense?

Postby Grant Carter » Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:03 pm

Treadway21 wrote:Slowest most boring offense ever. Sorry GG played pretty well, but this offense is just way to one dimensional for me. There is only one speed. Slow. Tech put pressure on our d with their hurry up and we give their d plenty of time to rest and organize blitzes.

I would have thought you had watched most SMU games last year, but from this post it sounds like you might have only caught the Hawaii bowl. Do you really think it was slower and more boring than last year's offense or are you just being overly dramatic?


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Re: New Offense?

Postby lwjr » Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:11 pm

G2 looked very confident until he started getting hit. Still he looked good at times, others not so much.
Sadly, Tech's walk on QB is better than anything SMU has.
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Re: New Offense?

Postby Alaric » Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:52 pm

JasonB wrote:I think one side effect of the shorter routes, crossing routes and screens is that the running game won't be as effective. When you send all 4 wr on fly patterns and do a delayed handoff, it clears everything out.

It is too bad that we made just enough mistakes to lose. When it was 20-16, you could tell we needed to score the next touchdown or we would lose. We just couldn't quite put it together - holding on the TD throw, holding on the first down pass to the west side that ended a possession, a drop in space killed a possession.

It appeared to me that Gilbert had a difficult time transitioning to the deep ball in his progressions. If the short stuff was covered, he started looking at his line (with good cause) instead of the routes down the field.

Running backs weren't that effective because they weren't waiting for the holes to develop. That was something Zach figured out after half a season, so hopefully we pick it up.

RB blocking suffered after Shead got hurt. A couple of times, Prescott went after the wrong blitzer and GG had no chance.

I'm not completely ticked off by how we played, but am frustrated because the game was there for the tacking end of third, early fourth and the offense just didn't get it done through our own mistakes.


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Re: New Offense?

Postby Big Hoss » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:07 pm

alamocitystang wrote:388 passing yards. Did we do that at all last year? Thought they looked pretty good. The holding call doesn't happen and we're looking at a different game. But they're gonna make mistakes in week one. Gilbert didn't. Awesome performance. I had the idea he really wanted to win


That is the most passing yards/game for Gilbert in college, so no, we didn't do that last year.
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Re: New Offense?

Postby mr. pony » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:15 pm

Pony81 wrote:I liked what I saw too. GG didn't make mistakes and looked good.

TTU just had more talent- we couldn't push them off the ball or create space for our running game.

Play like this the rest of the year and we win American conference games.


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Re: New Offense?

Postby Treadway21 » Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:20 pm

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Treadway21 wrote:Slowest most boring offense ever. Sorry GG played pretty well, but this offense is just way to one dimensional for me. There is only one speed. Slow. Tech put pressure on our d with their hurry up and we give their d plenty of time to rest and organize blitzes.

I would have thought you had watched most SMU games last year, but from this post it sounds like you might have only caught the Hawaii bowl. Do you really think it was slower and more boring than last year's offense or are you just being overly dramatic?


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Yes, being somewhat overly dramatic for effect. But the things that irritated me last year still bother me even with the additions. We go at the same pace no matter the score/situation. Compare Tech hurry up that put our d under extreme pressure so that on one play they ran with our defense not even lined up.

Secondly, still can't finish in the red zone when the game was in doubt. We do not look like we have an answer to break thru in a short field situation.

Time management is still horrible. We got bailed put by a big play and the receiver getting out of bounce, but we really didn't even make an effort to score before half.

Just like last years first game lots of unnecessary penalties in defense - some of which were bad calls - but a lot if roughing that look like discipline issues. Just not smart football.

I liked that the offense responded to their scores in the first half, but we are not good when playing from behind.

Yes there were positives, but a lot of the same issues we have seen when we play good competition.
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Re: New Offense?

Postby Greenwich Pony » Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:38 pm

I saw formation changes, and thought we'd be more verticle than we were. After all, the point I always thought was to move the ball closer to the endzone than the sideline.

What bothers me is that our guys don't play with any intensity or urgency. The last minute of the first half, they were playing as if we had a forty point lead. The lack of clock management was just stunning. I'm not a guy who likes to "outcoach" the coach- I admit that I know little about calling plays or formations. On the other hand, I have seen more urgency in MBand practices than our guys on the field in a nationally televised game. It's one thing to be cool and confident, but this was a lack of fire that I don't understand.
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