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Re: Rick Hart is Pro BCS

Postby dr rc » Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:48 pm

there seems to be some confusion here

there are only 4 playoff teams but there are 6 access bowl (essentially BCS) with the Sugar, Orange, Rose, Cotton, Peach, and Fiesta Bowls.

The highest ranked non P5 school is going to get into one of those 3 bowls (Cotton, Peach, Fiesta) every single year that this system is in place. Those are all excellent bowls with great history.

In years they are not playoff bowls the Rose and Sugar are contracted to take Big10/Pac12 and SEC/Big12 champs/highest ranked. The Orange will take the ACC champ/highest ranked vs highest ranked out of SEC, Big10, or Notre Dame.

With the non P5 conferences, if you are the highest ranked, I imagine the AAC teams will usually end up in the Cotton or Peach, the MWC teams end up in the Fiesta, and MAC/Sun Belt will get the Peach.

here is a link to show the rotation http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/college-football-playoff-schedule.php

Also, the mini playoff is not going to kill the small bowls. Has the massively expanded NCAA tourney killed the NIT? No. While smaller and less important it soldiers on. There are also now the CBI and CIT tourneys. ESPN is going to keep those bowls going regardless b/c those games still get better ratings than anything else they have the rights to during this time of the year.

If anything a 4 game playoff is going to make some much money that they will expand it within the first 10 years. Hell, just knowing that at least one (and maybe two) P5 conferences is guaranteed to miss out every year is enough to know that they will expand it soon enough.
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Re: Rick Hart is Pro BCS

Postby DanFreibergerForHeisman » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:04 pm

After reading about the new system, SMU and the American are in a better place than the BCS if you assume they were going to take away our automatic bid. It will be crucial for the American to always have the highest G5 ranking to keep some big bowl money flowing through the conference.

As far as the national championship, it's obviously pretty much impossible for SMU to ever be in the four teams selected, but we were never going to make the BCS championship game anyway so what's the difference...
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Re: Rick Hart is Pro BCS

Postby Rebel10 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:06 pm

Good to show the actual facts as they show the new system is better for us.
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Re: Rick Hart is Pro BCS

Postby dr rc » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:07 pm

DanFreibergerForHeisman wrote:After reading about the new system, SMU and the American are in a better place than the BCS if you assume they were going to take away our automatic bid. It will be crucial for the American to always have the highest G5 ranking to keep some big bowl money flowing through the conference.

As far as the national championship, it's obviously pretty much impossible for SMU to ever be in the four teams selected, but we were never going to make the BCS championship game anyway so what's the difference...



With North Texas as a long term OOC opponent? Yea, that may be true.

But if the original schedule from this year with OOC games vs schools like A&M, Tech, TCU, and Baylor was the norm it might be possible.

SMU (and the AAC) would have to string together several good seasons/bowl wins similar to how it took a while for Boise and TCU to get taken seriously by the BCS.
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Re: Rick Hart is Pro BCS

Postby DanFreibergerForHeisman » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:10 pm

dr rc wrote:But if the original schedule from this year with OOC games vs schools like A&M, Tech, TCU, and Baylor was the norm it might be possible.

It would definitely take running a schedule like that for the committee to even consider a G5 team, but I guess theoreticallly it is possible.
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Re: Rick Hart is Pro BCS

Postby Rebel10 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:15 pm

DanFreibergerForHeisman wrote:
dr rc wrote:But if the original schedule from this year with OOC games vs schools like A&M, Tech, TCU, and Baylor was the norm it might be possible.

It would definitely take running a schedule like that for the committee to even consider a G5 team, but I guess theoreticallly it is possible.


TCU would have been in the playoff (if it would have been in place) when they played in the Rose Bowl because they were number 3 in the country. Boise St also finished him enough one year to be in the playoff if they had one at the time. So it is possible in the new system more so than in the old system.
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Re: Rick Hart is Pro BCS

Postby DanFreibergerForHeisman » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:18 pm

Rebel10 wrote:TCU would have been in the playoff (if it would have been in place) when they played in the Rose Bowl because they were number 3 in the country. So it is possible in the new system more so than in the old system.

I get what you were saying, but the voters and powers that be made sure they stayed at 3 that year, and under the new system I would think they would find a way to keep them at 5.

Let's see SMU go 12-0 with a tough schedule and find out.
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Re: Rick Hart is Pro BCS

Postby feelthehorsepower » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:18 pm

DanFreibergerForHeisman wrote:After reading about the new system, SMU and the American are in a better place than the BCS if you assume they were going to take away our automatic bid. It will be crucial for the American to always have the highest G5 ranking to keep some big bowl money flowing through the conference.

As far as the national championship, it's obviously pretty much impossible for SMU to ever be in the four teams selected, but we were never going to make the BCS championship game anyway so what's the difference...


We have to focus on winning the American Athletic Conference championship consistently and being ranked in the top 25 polls. Unless we start doing both of those things, there is no other way to become a BCS team, especially being in a Mid-Major conference. That's the way TCU and West Virginia did to get added by the Big 12. It would be easier to make the case 10 years from now that we are BCS worthy and it would make the "we don't fully carry the DFW market" argument academic because they would add us for competitive reasons. Now we are in a pickle because not only are we not competitive, but we do not bring TV value.

If SMU would start playing like a ranked team and consistently starts winning conference championships, the fan base automatically starts growing. Look at basketball. Nuff Said
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Re: Rick Hart is Pro BCS

Postby Rebel10 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:20 pm

DanFreibergerForHeisman wrote:
Rebel10 wrote:TCU would have been in the playoff (if it would have been in place) when they played in the Rose Bowl because they were number 3 in the country. So it is possible in the new system more so than in the old system.

I get what you were saying, but the voters and powers that be made sure they stayed at 3 that year, and under the new system I would think they would find a way to keep them at 5.

Let's see SMU go 12-0 with a tough schedule and find out.


Let's do and find out so we can take the speculation out of it. Sounds like a good plan to me. But at the very least we end up going to a major six bowl even if we had a loss as long as we are the highest ranked G5 team.
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Re: Rick Hart is Pro BCS

Postby MustangStealth » Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:44 pm

SMU 86 wrote:Digetydog, I don't know if you are familiar with the new provisions but a non BCS (non P5 team) is guaranteed to be in one of the big games evey year now. This year there were no non BCS teams in the BCS bowls. Next year there will be due to the guarantee of the highest ranking G5 team being in it. You must be reading anti 4 team playoff propaganda as well without knowing the provisions that have been made. Again, in most years a non BCS team does not make to one of the big bowls now there will one guaranteed every year. I hope that clears things up.


But they took away the current Big East/AAC spot to give them that. So instead of having the BigEast/AAC bid and potentially a "BCS buster", there will now be only one bid for all of those conferences. This just throws an additional conference into the list of "have nots". This new system will not be any better for us.
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Re: Rick Hart is Pro BCS

Postby SMU2007 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:59 pm

NavyCrimson wrote:Whatever the case, until you include all D-1 teams in a playoff much like baseball & basketball - you have no 'playoff'. LOL!!! It's all such a joke so why even watch???

People would be surprised how many supporters & alums of non-bcsBS teams do not watch the cartel's playoff system as it is now or was.


Totally disagree. BCS rewards teams that excel from start to finish of the season. Creating a big playoff just rewards teams who "get hot" at the end. Fun to watch? Sure. But does the most dominant college hoops team always win the championship? Not hardly.

Depends on what you want your "champion" to be. Do you want it to be the best team for the duration of the season? Or do you want it to be the team that was the best for the last few weeks of the season?

I think a small playoff can add value, but expand it too much and I think it really ruins the regular season and the upsets that make the sport great.

4 teams is ideal to me. Generally not more than 4 teams, if even that many, that should be considered the best team start to finish that season.
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Re: Rick Hart is Pro BCS

Postby Rebel10 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:30 pm

I hope they expand to 8 teams and get all the conference champions and a G5 team involved in it. I believe they do find the best team in basketball. BCS is more of a politics game. BCS rewards teams that politic that is why I am glad to see it go.
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Re: Rick Hart is Pro BCS

Postby Rebel10 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:38 pm

MustangStealth wrote:
SMU 86 wrote:Digetydog, I don't know if you are familiar with the new provisions but a non BCS (non P5 team) is guaranteed to be in one of the big games evey year now. This year there were no non BCS teams in the BCS bowls. Next year there will be due to the guarantee of the highest ranking G5 team being in it. You must be reading anti 4 team playoff propaganda as well without knowing the provisions that have been made. Again, in most years a non BCS team does not make to one of the big bowls now there will one guaranteed every year. I hope that clears things up.


But they took away the current Big East/AAC spot to give them that. So instead of having the BigEast/AAC bid and potentially a "BCS buster", there will now be only one bid for all of those conferences. This just throws an additional conference into the list of "have nots". This new system will not be any better for us.


They took that away because the AAC was low performing. The AAC would have been part of the have not even if they had not gone to the new systems and would not have had a guaranteed spot.
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Re: Rick Hart is Pro BCS

Postby JasonB » Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:40 pm

The new system has no reward for playing good teams out of conference. Because the AAC is the strongest conference outside of the P5, all of the teams in the conference should be scheduling the other peer conference teams in their non-conference schedule to establish the dominance of the conference before conference seasons tarts.
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Re: Rick Hart is Pro BCS

Postby Rebel10 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:43 pm

JasonB wrote:The new system has no reward for playing good teams out of conference. Because the AAC is the strongest conference outside of the P5, all of the teams in the conference should be scheduling the other peer conference teams in their non-conference schedule to establish the dominance of the conference before conference seasons tarts.

Fixed it for you. You have teams in the past like TCU and Boise that went undefeated have not played a hard OOC schedule and got to a BCS by using that formula. It has been stated that strength of schedule is going to count more going forward. The old BCS was a joke.
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