June don't let us down!

[Bergermeister]

Could someone please update the "score"?

[ponyboy]

He's already let us down so many times before, why would this season be any different?

Yeah, I was so let down by those four bowl games. I expected more 3-8 in CUSA.

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I was so let down by our lack of conference titles and national rankings (among many other things).

Let down? June wasn't perfect here for a multitude of reasons, but I'm not sure what anyone ought to have reasonably expected. I'll take what we got -- with gratitude -- and hope to build from here.

[Lebanese4Life]

JJ was a great hire given our situation, but we shoulda let him go after the ASU debacle. That point was coincidentally also our peak in the June era. Seemed like JJ knew that and tried to capitalize. We've been less than mediocre ever since and we've lost a lot of valuable time to build up the program

[CalallenStang]

JJ was a great hire given our situation, but we shoulda let him go after the ASU debacle. That point was coincidentally also our peak in the June era. Seemed like JJ knew that and tried to capitalize. We've been less than mediocre ever since and we've lost a lot of valuable time to build up the program

Bottom line is that he hasn't put in the same kind of effort since then. That was also the offseason where Reinebold (rightly) was fired and Klemm left, and we went from that attitude on the recruiting trail to what we see now (evaluate tapes, then extend the offer to the high school coach rather than contacting the recruit directly).

June didn't replace the aggressiveness on the recruiting trail that he lost. Instead, he had his staff stop putting forth effort in a huge F-You to SMU fans.

I actually believe that his strategy in recruiting is a Machiavellian tactic to keep his job. If the players had no other offers, then without the SMU offer from June, they wouldn't be able to play scholarship FBS ball. If that is the case, then they may feel like they owe June. If the feel like they owe him, then they will defend him. And if the players defend him, then firing him creates a fracture in the locker room and sets our program back several steps.

[PonySnob]

JJ was a great hire given our situation, but we shoulda let him go after the ASU debacle. That point was coincidentally also our peak in the June era. Seemed like JJ knew that and tried to capitalize. We've been less than mediocre ever since and we've lost a lot of valuable time to build up the program

Bottom line is that he hasn't put in the same kind of effort since then. That was also the offseason where Reinebold (rightly) was fired and Klemm left, and we went from that attitude on the recruiting trail to what we see now (evaluate tapes, then extend the offer to the high school coach rather than contacting the recruit directly).

June didn't replace the aggressiveness on the recruiting trail that he lost. Instead, he had his staff stop putting forth effort in a huge F-You to SMU fans.

I actually believe that his strategy in recruiting is a Machiavellian tactic to keep his job. If the players had no other offers, then without the SMU offer from June, they wouldn't be able to play scholarship FBS ball. If that is the case, then they may feel like they owe June. If the feel like they owe him, then they will defend him. And if the players defend him, then firing him creates a fracture in the locker room and sets our program back several steps.

June gave a big "F-you" to SMU fans when he brought us Liberty and Justice...............

[sbsmith]

Let down? June wasn't perfect here for a multitude of reasons, but I'm not sure what anyone ought to have reasonably expected. I'll take what we got -- with gratitude -- and hope to build from here.

Pretty reasonable to expect a so-called offensive genius to have won at least one conference title by now. A lot of people expected much more than that. What we "got" is a growing talent deficit that will leave us much the way that June found us. Not sure why anyone would feel grateful for that.

[Mustangsabu]

We will not be left where we were. The team is visibly bigger, faster and stronger that what was here before. We need more impact players and there is much to be done but JJ has greatly
Improved our program.

[CalallenStang]

We will not be left where we were. The team is visibly bigger, faster and stronger that what was here before. We need more impact players and there is much to be done but JJ has greatly
Improved our program.

JJ has greatly improved our program, but that doesn't mean that he will leave it greatly improved.

[PoconoPony]

JJ was a great hire given our situation, but we shoulda let him go after the ASU debacle. That point was coincidentally also our peak in the June era. Seemed like JJ knew that and tried to capitalize. We've been less than mediocre ever since and we've lost a lot of valuable time to build up the program

Bottom line is that he hasn't put in the same kind of effort since then. That was also the offseason where Reinebold (rightly) was fired and Klemm left, and we went from that attitude on the recruiting trail to what we see now (evaluate tapes, then extend the offer to the high school coach rather than contacting the recruit directly).

June didn't replace the aggressiveness on the recruiting trail that he lost. Instead, he had his staff stop putting forth effort in a huge F-You to SMU fans.

I actually believe that his strategy in recruiting is a Machiavellian tactic to keep his job. If the players had no other offers, then without the SMU offer from June, they wouldn't be able to play scholarship FBS ball. If that is the case, then they may feel like they owe June. If the feel like they owe him, then they will defend him. And if the players defend him, then firing him creates a fracture in the locker room and sets our program back several steps.

June gave a big "F-you" to SMU fans when he brought us Liberty and Justice...............

I do not agree with your assessment. I think JJ and staff do very good job coaching and looking out for the kids. The problem is recruiting. You can only "coach up" kids so far when the talent level is simply not enough. You do not have depth when you spend your coaching time trying to coach up too many kids. To me, it is a failure of management to identify, scout, contact, follow up and recruit sufficiently high quality kids. I do not view this failure as part of a planned design. If the staff were that skilled to design such a scheme, then they are certainly good enough to recruit better and avoid scrutiny and pressure.

[ponyboy]

We will not be left where we were. The team is visibly bigger, faster and stronger that what was here before. We need more impact players and there is much to be done but JJ has greatly
Improved our program.

JJ has greatly improved our program, but that doesn't mean that he will leave it greatly improved.

True. What he will leave us with is vastly changed expectations, which ironically is exactly what many are using to beat him over the head with. He wasn't perfect, but I've greatly enjoyed it and will remember his tenure with a great deal of fondness. I choose to leave it there and not dwell on the pointless and petty hate that *some* posters seem to love rolling around in.

Onward and upward.

[Hilltopper]

June gave a big "F-you" to SMU fans when he brought us Liberty and Justice...............

Good god, get over it. He lent his name to an organization that helps save animals, which is a good thing. He didn't get rid of traditions (i.e. Peruna), he just wanted to add to them. The big Mustangs weren't well received, so they're presumably retired on a farm somewhere. If you want to get pissed about a play call or something, fine, but if that's your reason for holding a grudge, it's well past the time to grow up and move on.

[mrydel]

Just for the record, he did request we get rid of Peruna. His request was denied.

[gostangs]

community relations 101 - don't screw with traditions, embrace them like you were born into them. Its not very hard actually.

See exhibit A - Larry Brown. The coach that actually has skins on the wall, and has enough credibility to critique our traditions actually does nothing but talk them up.

[TidePony]

There you go ... Logic and Truth

[sbsmith]

We will not be left where we were. The team is visibly bigger, faster and stronger that what was here before. We need more impact players and there is much to be done but JJ has greatly
Improved our program.

Bigger and faster perhaps but the talent isn't there which is the problem and why the new guy probably won't have much use for what's currently on the roster.