SMU’s June Jones ranked behind Larry Coker and Dan McCarney

[PlanoStang]

Come on the guy hasn't been 100% in his recruiting efforts but cut him some slack. It ain't easy to go head to head with the big dog programs in the state...even if we were top notch in everything, we would still be in line behind UT, Texas A&M and OU, and possibly LSU, Bama and other out of state teams for the pick of the litter.

Our long term Focus should be to compete effectively for recruits with other privates like BU and TCU and lower/Mid tier Big 12 like Texas Tech, ISU, OK St, KU, K St. And WV.

Let's focus on being the best of the AAC before thinking of beating any P5 teams YET.


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You're right it's not easy but June doesn't deserve any slack because he hasn't even been trying.

Don't you really need to be studying for your finals

[Big12Mustang]

Come on the guy hasn't been 100% in his recruiting efforts but cut him some slack. It ain't easy to go head to head with the big dog programs in the state...even if we were top notch in everything, we would still be in line behind UT, Texas A&M and OU, and possibly LSU, Bama and other out of state teams for the pick of the litter.

Our long term Focus should be to compete effectively for recruits with other privates like BU and TCU and lower/Mid tier Big 12 like Texas Tech, ISU, OK St, KU, K St. And WV.

Let's focus on being the best of the AAC before thinking of beating any P5 teams YET.


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You're right it's not easy but June doesn't deserve any slack because he hasn't even been trying.

Agree with you..he isn't getting it done but any coach at SMU (or any non P5 school) would struggle beating out the big dogs. Even Patterson at TCU in their golden age, being the top dogs of the non BCS world, couldn't do better than UT, A&M, OU recruiting wise.


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[sbsmith]

Don't you really need to be studying for your finals

Shouldn't you be outside telling imaginary teenagers to stay off your lawn?

[sbsmith]

Agree with you..he isn't getting it done but any coach at SMU (or any non P5 school) would struggle beating out the big dogs. Even Patterson at TCU in their golden age, being the top dogs of the non BCS world, couldn't do better than UT, A&M, OU recruiting wise.


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Any coach with an actual plan to recruit DFW wouldn't be struggling as much as June. TCU may not have been beating out UT, A&M and OU on the recruiting trail but they still recruited the area well enough to become a nationally relevant program. June is really the only thing standing in our way right now.

[Stallion]

Plus TCU has always held its own against BCS teams getting approximately 65% of their recruits from players with offers from BCS schools from 1998-2011. Even last year many downplayed TCU's class but they still outrecruited UT, A&M and OU for 5 commits. TCU signed something like 10 Top 100 kids on either Rivals or Scout. Nobody expects SMU to sign more than the occasional 4 or 5 star-that's a red herring from people that don't realize how many great players are availiable

[Big12Mustang]

Agree with you..he isn't getting it done but any coach at SMU (or any non P5 school) would struggle beating out the big dogs. Even Patterson at TCU in their golden age, being the top dogs of the non BCS world, couldn't do better than UT, A&M, OU recruiting wise.


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Any coach with an actual plan to recruit DFW wouldn't be struggling as much as June. TCU may not have been beating out UT, A&M and OU on the recruiting trail but they still recruited the area well enough to become a nationally relevant program. June is really the only thing standing in our way right now.

I agree, he should step it up in recruiting. We had a really nice class being set up back in '10-'11 while Klemm was here...wish we could get 4-5 Klemm like recruiters


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[Bergermeister]

Can I discredit Rebel10's position based on the poor use of "ad hominem"?

You can try. I'm sure it will be appealed.

[Rebel10]

Plus TCU has always held its own against BCS teams getting approximately 65% of their recruits from players with offers from BCS schools from 1998-2011.

Good point.

[ponyboy]

June should be ranked behind a lot more coaches on that list.

Why? Seriously, why? He's done miracles at his last two stops.

His miracles were of the "smoke and mirrors" variety...

In 1999, JJ took over a Hawaii squad that was 17-53 in the five previous seasons -- including 18 straight losses. He architected the most dramatic turnaround in NCAA football history, leading Hawaii to a 9-4 record his first year. He left Hawaii after nine seasons with a 76-41 record. His swan song was a BCS appearance to cap a 12-0 regular season.

That's smoke and mirrors?

In the two decades before JJ got here, we were an almost unbelievable 58-153, good for #113 out of 117 teams. In the six seasons JJ has been here, we've gone to four bowl games (winning three handily), missing a fifth bowl appearance by five points against the #15 team in the nation.

That's smoke and mirrors?

[Rebel10]

What were the records of the teams playing Hawaii the year he went 12-0? That will tell you if it is smoke and mirrors.

[Stallion]

more smoke and mirrors-June played 69% of his games in Hawaii at Home with huge home field advantage-only 31% on the road.

[ponyboy]

Then how do you explain Hawaii going from winning 24% of their games before JJ got there to winning 65% of their games after he got there? I don't believe that's smoke. And I don't believe that's mirrors.

And if you can't see JJ's dramatic turnaround at SMU, well I really don't know what to say.

[Grant Carter]

more smoke and mirrors-June played 69% of his games in Hawaii at Home with huge home field advantage-only 31% on the road.

Were those percentages significantly different in the years before JJ got there when they were not winning? If not then I do not see how they have anything to do with the argument that he improved them significantly.

[Stallion]

oh really you don't think a 69%-31% advantage in home games has any relevance. Why don't you find SMU's home/away record over the last 6 years and project what SMU's record would be with such a ratio. Hawaii had good teams before June Jones. Fred Von Appen sucked just like a lot of coaches that get fired. In fact, the evidence suggests that that von Appen was the exception not the rule

1979–1986 [deleted] Tomey 52–35–3
1987–1995 Bob Wagner 58–49–3
1996–1998 Fred von Appen 5–31

[ghost]

sbsmith seems like a guy on the inside who knows. Seems like a guy just tryin to stay on the payroll just a few more years to pad his retirement rather than an aggressive guy who wants to be the best or at least the "best he can be".