ESPN way too early bowl predix - we're listed

[SMUer]

Let's just call them "extra practices" instead of "bowls"...effectively that's all half of them are good-for.

[blackoutpony]

Oh for the love of....it's not slamming what Coach X did, or didn't do at this school for a period of time. Nor is it "forgetting" or "remembering" what Institution X did or didn't do for a given period of time.

It's called recognizing there are 38 f*cking bowl games, more than 60% of the f*cking FBS plays in one, and it's garbage to try and call it an accomplishment not being one of the crappiest 38% of teams in the entire country.

Spot on. I wasn't alive during the death penalty, so quite frankly, I don't give a big fat [deleted] about what happened 30 years ago and harping about how bad it was instead of harping on where we want to be is a losers attitude.

Complacency with mediocrity isn't something I'm fond of and just whining about the past is just a lame [deleted] excuse for not striving for something better.

[Stallion]

What about four out of five years after being the suckiest program in America? That count for anything?

It doesn't count for anything unless you have meager aspirations for this program.

I want a P5 invite and a national championship. What does that have to do with appreciating the climb out of the hellhole thus far?

Yet you never criticized the administration, the Model or coaches during this period. Now you want to call it a hellhole. At the time you didn't the same Cheerleader of the Year campaign and criticized those you actually called the SMU program a hellhole and suggested radical changes to the Model

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[ponyboy]

Show me one poster, one freaking poster who wants to hang it up and be satisfied with where we are. Go ahead. I will wait.

All some of us are saying is remember where we were in January of 2008. If that's too far back for you, I don't know what to say.


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[malonish]

Think back, look forward.

[Big12Mustang]

I was here for the Phil Bennett and June Jones teams, and the difference in how the program felt was from here to heaven. It became cool to watch a game again.
I will be happy if we make it to a bowl next year, everyone notices when you go bowling. What we need is for our fans to stop whining and boycotting June and sit their butts in Ford...that is if we want that P5 invite...

[SMUer]

I don't know...year-1 June was pretty rough...but then we thought there was a method to his offensive madness

[AustinPerson]

That would be amazing to play UTEP in Fair Park. Let's make sure that we don't win more than six games so we can make that happen.

[sbsmith]

All some of us are saying is remember where we were in January of 2008. If that's too far back for you, I don't know what to say.

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We all remember, it's just that some of us don't believe in glorifying mediocrity just because it's better than what we had. Now we're coming full circle right back to the gutter.

[ponyfan37]

I was here for the Phil Bennett and June Jones teams, and the difference in how the program felt was from here to heaven. It became cool to watch a game again.
I will be happy if we make it to a bowl next year, everyone notices when you go bowling. What we need is for our fans to stop whining and boycotting June and sit their butts in Ford...that is if we want that P5 invite...

Trust me, no one remembers when you play in The Heart of Dallas Bowl.

[blackoutpony]

All some of us are saying is remember where we were in January of 2008. If that's too far back for you, I don't know what to say.

[malonish]

All some of us are saying is remember where we were in January of 2008. If that's too far back for you, I don't know what to say.

Drunk Tim Tebow has a point.

[LA_Mustang]

I was here for the Phil Bennett and June Jones teams, and the difference in how the program felt was from here to heaven. It became cool to watch a game again.
I will be happy if we make it to a bowl next year, everyone notices when you go bowling. What we need is for our fans to stop whining and boycotting June and sit their butts in Ford...that is if we want that P5 invite...

It became cool to watch a game again?? Did you go to any games year? The atmosphere was no different/better at games in 2013 than games in the Bennett years. If you look at conference attendance from JJ's first year compared to 2013, it's proof that SMU football has less interest now than it did to begin the JJ era.

2008 Average conference home game attendance (JJ's first year) - 15,809
2013 Average conference home game attendance - 15,612*

* actual attendance at the UConn game was maybe 5,000 and UCF game was maybe 1,000

We're all happy we've made it to a few bowl games but to suggest the interest/atmosphere in SMU football is better now is not true. The simple fact is we cannot compete with the schools in Texas that people care about (Tech, UT, A&M, TCU, Baylor). We do not recruit anywhere near well enough to stay on the field with those guys. Facts are facts.

[Big12Mustang]

I was here for the Phil Bennett and June Jones teams, and the difference in how the program felt was from here to heaven. It became cool to watch a game again.
I will be happy if we make it to a bowl next year, everyone notices when you go bowling. What we need is for our fans to stop whining and boycotting June and sit their butts in Ford...that is if we want that P5 invite...

It became cool to watch a game again?? Did you go to any games year? The atmosphere was no different/better at games in 2013 than games in the Bennett years. If you look at conference attendance from JJ's first year compared to 2013, it's proof that SMU football has less interest now than it did to begin the JJ era.

2008 Average conference home game attendance (JJ's first year) - 15,809
2013 Average conference home game attendance - 15,612*

* actual attendance at the UConn game was maybe 5,000 and UCF game was maybe 1,000

We're all happy we've made it to a few bowl games but to suggest the interest/atmosphere in SMU football is better now is not true. The simple fact is we cannot compete with the schools in Texas that people care about (Tech, UT, A&M, TCU, Baylor). We don't not recruit anywhere near well enough to stay on the field with those guys. Facts are facts.

That's pretty shocking...I didn't know that our attendance slid back to the levels of JJ's first years. But then again I don't put that entirely on June...I consider attendance as an SMU problem. I have heard from others that even during our golden years, attendance was problematic here (also in TCU, Rice, Cougar High and Baylor) compared to other SWC members. There is something we are doing wrong or something we are not doing which is keeping us at these pitiful attendance levels. I know private schools have more trouble than usual with attendance as we can see from Baylor finally selling out from RG3 era onwards and TCU selling out since their Rose Bowl years, but we can't bank on being in a P5 before we sell out completely. I think 32,000 is very reasonable and there are many lessons we can learn from basketball. We are essentially playing in a conference were only 3-4 teams are good and the rest are horrible, yet we were able to have sellouts and fan excitement all throughout the season and even in the NIT. It is the same for football, only 3-4 teams are really good and the others are horrible. We play a good Cincinnati, Houston, UCF and possibly a resurgent USF and UConn this year. Maybe ECU will be good as well. It should be a tradition that students go to the game, regardless if we play Memphis or Texas Tech. Boise packs their stadium for every game vs. a midmajor Mountain West Conference...why not us?

[ponyboy]

We all remember, it's just that some of us don't believe in glorifying mediocrity just because it's better than what we had.

Just admit I'm right. June Jones made things way, way better than anyone had in thirty years. Is it good enough? NO. Do we stop here? NO. But he really improved things. It's ok to admit that. It's not glorifying anything to admit the truth.


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