What Autonomy Really Means for SMU

[ideal]

First, we have to fend off the haters and the naysayers, which would not be there if we didn't have the goods to be a breakthrough fan fave. (i.e., the more haters the better, the more vocal they are that you can't do it, the more likely you can)
Second, if we don't carry the flag, who will
Third, Saban's salary ($7.5m) is a taxpayer financed slush fund itself.

[Stallion]

actually Saban's salary is below market because Texas was offering 100 Million over 10 years

[Grant Carter]

actually Saban's salary is below market because Texas was offering 100 Million over 10 years

Who said it was at or above market?

[ideal]

state pols love circuses to keep their impoverished people in line
(and their cousins get the no-bid subcontracts)

[orguy]

Ah its the old coach 'em up theory coming back into vogue. Total [deleted]. We got the 2 Million Dollar coach with NFL experience and a Coaching Staff with NFL experience-remember. He doesn't have the recruits to get the job done. Most telling is that he can not field a squad that can stay on the field with a motivated BCS program. All those programs I listed above recruited at the very top of the non-BCS schools which is largely responsible for them making the P5 jump. Each fielded teams which routinely beat quality BCS programs. We hopefully will match any and all P5 benefits. I just don't see any school that fails to match P5 benefits out-recruiting any school that does offer these benefits for more than a couple of recruits each year.

If SMU had wanted a coach to succeed against BCS competition they would have never hired June in the first place. His teams have always failed historically when playing top notch competition.

The classic example being his slow 2008 Hawaii team. They were just obliterated in the Sugar Bowl. Georgia just embarrassed them. The gap in talent was glaring even to a non interested viewer. Not to say that less talented teams can beat more talented BCS squads if well coached (Utah vs Alabama anyone?). June is not that guy. Never has been.

As a side note; Boise Junior College probably had the same talent level for many years as June's 07 Hawaii team and was able to achieve great things under Petersen. Hmm. Not sure whether bsu had better talent than Hawaii to be frank. Boise is a dusty isolated redneck town on the edge of the northwest that does not appeal to many highly rated African American recruits. Maybe Petersen was just able to instill some BELIEF. Often its more than just "recruiting" as others have succeeded against formidable BCS competition with less talented teams.

[WordUpBU]

As a side note; Boise Junior College probably had the same talent level for many years as June's 07 Hawaii team and was able to achieve great things under Petersen. Hmm. Not sure whether bsu had better talent than Hawaii to be frank. Boise is a dusty isolated redneck town on the edge of the northwest that does not appeal to many highly rated African American recruits. Maybe Petersen was just able to instill some BELIEF. Often its more than just "recruiting" as others have succeeded against formidable BCS competition with less talented teams.

Boise has recruited MUCH more talent than Hawaii ever did. Especially on the offensive and defensive line. Ryan Clady, Shea McLellan, Billy Winn, Nate Potter, Demarcus Lawrence, and others. Hawaii frequently would be stellar at wideout and average on the line.

[orguy]

Thank your for that. Good information.

[peruna81]

College football teams are companies. Those companies that invested in their product over the last 50 years benefit from the capitalism that is now college football. If a fan base and administration tolerated loosing or barley getting by such as a company does they get left behind and eventually left out of the market.

The big brands coke, ford, Nike, GE etc. own the market due to the best administration and spent big and won and now own the market which the big 5 do. Its American capitalism, should have invested better in the product. The fan based tolerated mediocrity and the administration does not care about football and neither does the fan base.

First, welcome mattc1775.
Second, concise and frighteningly accurate appraisal of what I agree is our current situation.
Glad you are here.

clyde

[ideal]

it's a brand new day
Carpe Diem

[JoeKidd]

Ah its the old coach 'em up theory coming back into vogue. Total [deleted]. We got the 2 Million Dollar coach with NFL experience and a Coaching Staff with NFL experience-remember. He doesn't have the recruits to get the job done. Most telling is that he can not field a squad that can stay on the field with a motivated BCS program. All those programs I listed above recruited at the very top of the non-BCS schools which is largely responsible for them making the P5 jump. Each fielded teams which routinely beat quality BCS programs. We hopefully will match any and all P5 benefits. I just don't see any school that fails to match P5 benefits out-recruiting any school that does offer these benefits for more than a couple of recruits each year.

If SMU had wanted a coach to succeed against BCS competition they would have never hired June in the first place. His teams have always failed historically when playing top notch competition.

The classic example being his slow 2008 Hawaii team. They were just obliterated in the Sugar Bowl. Georgia just embarrassed them. The gap in talent was glaring even to a non interested viewer. Not to say that less talented teams can beat more talented BCS squads if well coached (Utah vs Alabama anyone?). June is not that guy. Never has been.

As a side note; Boise Junior College probably had the same talent level for many years as June's 07 Hawaii team and was able to achieve great things under Petersen. Hmm. Not sure whether bsu had better talent than Hawaii to be frank. Boise is a dusty isolated redneck town on the edge of the northwest that does not appeal to many highly rated African American recruits. Maybe Petersen was just able to instill some BELIEF. Often its more than just "recruiting" as others have succeeded against formidable BCS competition with less talented teams.

June was I believe our best option at the time and took us from less than nothing to semi-relevant. It's what mattc1775 wrote that really hurt us.....accepting complacency the 15 years before June got here when programs like Boise, Utah and TCU were building for this new era. The Cavan/Benett years set us back and that is when we should have really been making a push.

[ideal]

it isn't too late, we have to be smarter, though

[ericdickerson4life]

Yes it is too late. The sooner we realize this, the sooner we can stop throwing good money after bad. We have been left behind.

[Nacho]

getting the dp hurt us a tad.
we never recovered.
thanks ut.

[ideal]

4life --- why don't you ask E.D. what he thinks of your comment.

[WordUpBU]

getting the dp hurt us a tad.
we never recovered.
thanks ut.

What did UT have to do with it? It's not like they got the NCAA to put in the repeat violator clause or got Stopperich/Andrews to snitch.