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Re: Larry Coker can coach

Postby Pony ^ » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:38 am

money talks..but with the future of conferences and a huge lack of fan support, I just don't see top coaches even looking at SMU
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Re: Larry Coker can coach

Postby floridianstang » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:46 am

Pony ^ wrote:money talks..but with the future of conferences and a huge lack of fan support, I just don't see top coaches even looking at SMU


Lack of fan support is not because of SMU itself, it's because we don't win. Basketball rallies Dallas and our students because they win and are on the hunt for titles. Win big in football consistently, prove you are not a fly by night program and see the fan base grow.

I hope we don't get embarrassed tomorrow.
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Re: Larry Coker can coach

Postby floridianstang » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:47 am

And to my previous statement, doesn't June have only 6 wins and 30 something losses to programs with winning records?
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Re: Larry Coker can coach

Postby couch 'em » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:25 pm

UTSA far better job than SMU at this point.
Major city and huge school but no competition college or pro. Great for attendance and recruiting. Low expectations now so plenty of time to implement plan. Administration with clear goal to move forward with program, and not run but crazy boosters yet.
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Re: Larry Coker can coach

Postby couch 'em » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:29 pm

On the other end we are in a very crowded market with a tiny school that isn't really loved by greater Dallas. The administration's real goal for football is unclear and there is negative baggage. The program seems to be controlled by boosters with questionable competency in the football arena.
Long term we have much more upside but we have more to overcome to get there.
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Larry Coker can coach

Postby floridianstang » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:36 pm

couch 'em wrote:On the other end we are in a very crowded market with a tiny school that isn't really loved by greater Dallas. The administration's real goal for football is unclear and there is negative baggage. The program seems to be controlled by boosters with questionable competency in the football arena.
Long term we have much more upside but we have more to overcome to get there.


Agree with you 100%. And a lot of upside for SMU if we do what needs to be done like in Hoops
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Re: Larry Coker can coach

Postby Bergermeister » Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:53 pm

couch 'em wrote: The program seems to be controlled by boosters with questionable competency in the football arena.

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Re: Larry Coker can coach

Postby Insane_Pony_Posse » Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:11 pm

orguy wrote:Would love to have had Coker as head coach. He would still be here and the program would in a far different stratosphere then its ever been post death penalty.


I am neither pro June nor anti-Coker, but both June and Coker took over their bottom of the heap programs about the same time...one year difference..sure UTSA was a new program, but both programs were basically starting over...and how many bowls has Coker led his current team to? and how many bowl games has June led his current team to? I just think we can do better than Coker when we hire our next coach.
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Re: Larry Coker can coach

Postby Rebel10 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:14 pm

Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:
orguy wrote:Would love to have had Coker as head coach. He would still be here and the program would in a far different stratosphere then its ever been post death penalty.


I am neither pro June nor anti-Coker, but both June and Coker took over their bottom of the heap programs about the same time...one year difference..sure UTSA was a new program, but both programs were basically starting over...and how many bowls has Coker led his current team to? and how many bowl games has June led his current team to? I just think we can do better than Coker when we hire our next coach.

Coker should be compared to the team right after the DP because that was pretty much a start up team. June inherited his best offensive line a 2 NFL receivers from Bennett. And Let's not forget that Bennett had Cole Beasley committed to SMU not June. Coker had nothing.
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Re: Larry Coker can coach

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Re: Larry Coker can coach

Postby sbsmith » Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:33 pm

Rebel10 wrote:Coker should be compared to the team right after the DP because that was pretty much a start up team. June inherited his best offensive line a 2 NFL receivers from Bennett. And Let's not forget that Bennett had Cole Beasley committed to SMU not June. Coker had nothing.



Unlike our post DP teams Coker's start up didn't have to play an SWC schedule.
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Re: Larry Coker can coach

Postby SMUer » Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:35 pm

June inherited several NFL quality players and the most prolific upper-classman QB we've had in 10-15 years. I'm not convinced that this is "basically starting from scratch." We weren't hopeless before June. We had 2*s that were not well coached. Now we have 3*s that are not well coached. June didn't "save" us, he got us a bit of credibility.
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Re: Larry Coker can coach

Postby Rebel10 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:47 pm

sbsmith wrote:
Rebel10 wrote:Coker should be compared to the team right after the DP because that was pretty much a start up team. June inherited his best offensive line a 2 NFL receivers from Bennett. And Let's not forget that Bennett had Cole Beasley committed to SMU not June. Coker had nothing.



Unlike our post DP teams Coker's start up didn't have to play an SWC schedule.

Neither did June for that matter. Just sayin'.
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Re: Larry Coker can coach

Postby Rebel10 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:50 pm

SMUer wrote:June inherited several NFL quality players and the most prolific upper-classman QB we've had in 10-15 years. I'm not convinced that this is "basically starting from scratch." We weren't hopeless before June. We had 2*s that were not well coached. Now we have 3*s that are not well coached. June didn't "save" us, he got us a bit of credibility.


Good point.
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Re: Larry Coker can coach

Postby Insane_Pony_Posse » Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:56 pm

SMUer wrote:June inherited several NFL quality players
and the most prolific upper-classman QB we've had in 10-15 years.

You are arguing June Jones had it easier because
he had a "prolific upper-classman QB", but June didn't use that QB,
so how did that factor make June's job easier?
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