Symbol of the June Era

[LA_Mustang]

This team might be so bad that a high profile coach might not want to try to clean up the mess that June has left.

I believe the only way to get a quality coach, young or old, to come into this situation is to money whip them. This program is two, maybe three years away from being competitive. It's going to take a complete rebuild.

[originaloverthehilltop1]

would this be a bad time to suggest (again) that junes biggest failure was not getting the schedule right (little help from Copeland and orsini here) and NOW can we get the top 20 (mostly) off our schedule UNTIL we have the talent to play with them? all those marvelous dallas football athletes arent going to rush here to get beat by baylor and a&m by 60. could all the "have to beat the best to be the best" idiots please shut up long enough for the new coach to recruit enough guys to give unt a game, first? i don't mind tcu or one of those others one game a year for measuring, but 3-4 times a year doesn't help us get ready for AAC. preparing for conference is what smart teams use the ooc to do. ooc is not used just to get the coach to quit. btw i saw how playing baylor prepped us for unt.

[sbsmith]

would this be a bad time to suggest (again) that junes biggest failure was not getting the schedule right (little help from Copeland and orsini here) and NOW can we get the top 20 (mostly) off our schedule UNTIL we the talent to play with them? all those marvelous dallas football athletes arent going to rush here to get beat by baylor and a&m by 60. could all the "have to beat the best to be the best" idiots please shut up long enough for the new coach to recruit enough guys to give unt a game, first? i don't mind tcu or one of those others one game a year for measuring, but 3-4 times a year doesn't help us get ready for AAC. preparing for conference is what smart teams use the ooc to do. ooc is not used just to get the coach to quit. btw i saw how playing baylor prepped us for unt.

Those "marvelous dallas football athletes" aren't going to rush here to play against Idaho and NTSU in front of 10k fans. The schedule is just fine, blame June for not getting the talent to compete (remember the days when we were 1.5 recruiting classes away?).

[Treadway21]

June will never coach again except for Hswaii. He must be radioactive. For all that offense guru stuff he was exposed when ASU fans revolted.

[originaloverthehilltop1]

and furthermore, all those toilet bowl games jj took us to didn't mask the fact that we were not preparing for and competing consistently for conference championships. 1-get some ooc wins. recruit better.
2-get some conference wins. improve recruiting some more. 3- compete for conf championships. recruit even better. THEN upgrade schedule. baby steps.

[sbsmith]

and furthermore, all those toilet bowl games jj took us to didn't mask the fact that we were not preparing for and competing consistently for conference championships. 1-get some ooc wins. recruit better.
2-get some conference wins. improve recruiting some more. 3- compete for conf championships. recruit even better. THEN upgrade schedule. baby steps.

You got it backwards, you recruit better (by making it a priority which is something June never did) then you start winning games and championships. You don't need a bloated record full of wins over crap to recruit better not that any legit recruits would be fooled by it anyway.

[originaloverthehilltop1]

before last season at preseason luncheon. i asked jj about advisability of playing potentially 3 top 25 teams 2014 ooc. his answer:''in my opinion those games should not have been schedluled. we are not ready for that yet."

he was just telling the truth. he was right.

fact is, beating anybody helps recruiting. getting beat by 60, a&m or unt hurts recruitting.

sorry sbsmith, the schedule is not "just fine".

[Treadway21]

Is UNT top 25?

[vielsiehorsepower]

would this be a bad time to suggest (again) that junes biggest failure was not getting the schedule right (little help from Copeland and orsini here) and NOW can we get the top 20 (mostly) off our schedule UNTIL we have the talent to play with them? all those marvelous dallas football athletes arent going to rush here to get beat by baylor and a&m by 60. could all the "have to beat the best to be the best" idiots please shut up long enough for the new coach to recruit enough guys to give unt a game, first? i don't mind tcu or one of those others one game a year for measuring, but 3-4 times a year doesn't help us get ready for AAC. preparing for conference is what smart teams use the ooc to do. ooc is not used just to get the coach to quit. btw i saw how playing baylor prepped us for unt.

Jones has had 7 classes come in. During 08-11 his hard ooc games were
08-tech, tcu
09-tcu
10-tcu, tech
11-atm, tcu,

Then
12-Baylor, tcu, atm
13-tcu, atm, tech
14-tcu, atm, Baylor

After 7 years he does not field teams that are competitive for even a quarter against these opponents. 08-11 he only had 2 tough ooc a year and plenty of time to build up a veteran team for the future ooc. Larry Brown said that his schedule needs to be harder and june wants the easy way out. Brown saw a challenge, jones saw an excuse. Which one is still employed?

[sbsmith]

before last season at preseason luncheon. i asked jj about advisability of playing potentially 3 top 25 teams 2014 ooc. his answer:''in my opinion those games should not have been schedluled. we are not ready for that yet."

he was just telling the truth. he was right.

fact is, beating anybody helps recruiting. getting beat by 60, a&m or unt hurts recruitting.

sorry sbsmith, the schedule is not "just fine".

He also said a few years ago that we were 1.5 recruiting classes away from having the depth to compete with those teams. Funny how he got scared of those teams when all his DITRs didn't pan out. We were never going to be ready for those teams with him in charge. Like I said before the schedule is just fine, I'm sorry your hero June Jones couldn't deal with that.

[vielsiehorsepower]

before last season at preseason luncheon. i asked jj about advisability of playing potentially 3 top 25 teams 2014 ooc. his answer:''in my opinion those games should not have been schedluled. we are not ready for that yet."

he was just telling the truth. he was right.

fact is, beating anybody helps recruiting. getting beat by 60, a&m or unt hurts recruitting.

sorry sbsmith, the schedule is not "just fine".

Looks like he left out half of that...“because I am recruiting scrubs that no division 1 school wants."

The last time recruiting was a priority (when klemm was here) we saw close games vs tech and tcu and a general upward trajectory in the talent level. Jones knew these teams were on the schedule, but he mailed it in and decides not to take the steps he needed to years in advance to be ready to even stay in these games for one half. Keep apologizing for june, maybe he'll hire you as recruiting coordinator at whatever naia school he goes to

[originaloverthehilltop1]

btw, all those aggie fans that filled up ford stadium didn't stay away because they were going to be beating a "trash team". and jj not my hero. i think he saw the foundation had too much sand in it and gave up. first on the recruiting effort, then on the team.

[Treadway21]

Didn't we pay him 2 mil to build more than a foundation of sand. He had 6 years and 2 games for gods sake.

[originaloverthehilltop1]

hey guys, i think we agree on more than we disagree on. jj needed to go and he is gone. but we all know you don't build a program with one recruiting class. takes several. the new coach, even if its nick saban, isn't going to bring in 25 new players and be ready to move into the SEC. or play 2 SEC and 2 big twelve teams OOC. but if we do, the 25 recruits he gets in year 3 and 4 may not be better than those in year 1. and they must be.

yet, as we keep doing, you are going to want to start our new coach WAY out there on the scheduling front, cause, hell, all he has to do is recruit legit players and the schedule is just fine.

[sbsmith]

yet, as we keep doing, you are going to want to start our new coach WAY out there on the scheduling front, cause, hell, all he has to do is recruit legit players and the schedule is just fine.

That's pretty much it, keep the schedule as is and take some lumps while the new guy accumulates talent. You don't see teams like ECU and UCF running away from legit competition do you?