An Obituary for June's QB Recruiting and "Depth"

[JasonB]

You and I both know you aren't going to see a lot with the state of the OL right now and lack of play makers at WR. By the time we get into conference it is going to be Cassell and Davis trying to figure out who can be more effective first. if you get either of those kids in the game yesterday, you still aren't going to be able to tell anything from the "tape".

We've got the statement right here - Stallion thinks that none of our QBs will have success ever in their careers. I think we have young QBs behind a young and not good OL and no top of the line receivers, but that the QBs do have the ability to be successful at some point, whether it is here or somewhere else.

I'll own up to it if we don't see anything in the next 4 years. I doubt you will if the opposite is true. But with what we have seen from the other players on offense, you can play all 6 QBs all you want and you aren't going to be able to tell a lick about if they are capable or not.

[Rebel10]

Screw that. Those freshman had zero offers. Jason you just don't get it. They will be recruited over or simply not fit the new offense or they may decide to leave based on new coaching staff. I say play them if they are better than our walkon starting QB and give the new coaching staff as much tape as possible to analyze their potential. We are staring 0-12 in the face-you play any and all kids that can help in that situation. I don't think Colbert is a Division 1A QB anyway but he could help us on the field somewhere. Plus I want SMU to play all 6 QBs to finally teach Jason the meaning of "Depth". As I suspected its quite doubtful if SMU has a Division 1A QB on its roster-I want our next Coach to know that as soon as possible and act accordingly

The defense might not be a good as some think as well. There were some missed tackle early in the game before they got tired. The Mason for head coach crowd might not agree with that but it is what I saw.

[sbsmith]

I'll own up to it if we don't see anything in the next 4 years. I doubt you will if the opposite is true. But with what we have seen from the other players on offense, you can play all 6 QBs all you want and you aren't going to be able to tell a lick about if they are capable or not.

You really think the new coach is going to keep these spares around for 4 years? Any coach worth his salt will immediately recruit over those kids and encourage them to transfer.

[JasonB]

I'll own up to it if we don't see anything in the next 4 years. I doubt you will if the opposite is true. But with what we have seen from the other players on offense, you can play all 6 QBs all you want and you aren't going to be able to tell a lick about if they are capable or not.

You really think the new coach is going to keep these spares around for 4 years? Any coach worth his salt will immediately recruit over those kids and encourage them to transfer.

Nope, just saying that they will pop up somewhere and have some level of success.

[JasonB]

Screw that. Those freshman had zero offers. Jason you just don't get it. They will be recruited over or simply not fit the new offense or they may decide to leave based on new coaching staff. I say play them if they are better than our walkon starting QB and give the new coaching staff as much tape as possible to analyze their potential. We are staring 0-12 in the face-you play any and all kids that can help in that situation. I don't think Colbert is a Division 1A QB anyway but he could help us on the field somewhere. Plus I want SMU to play all 6 QBs to finally teach Jason the meaning of "Depth". As I suspected its quite doubtful if SMU has a Division 1A QB on its roster-I want our next Coach to know that as soon as possible and act accordingly

The defense might not be a good as some think as well. There were some missed tackle early in the game before they got tired. The Mason for head coach crowd might not agree with that but it is what I saw.

We are small on the line and at LB and it is killing us defensively against the run. Zelt is the right size for a 3-4 end, but Wright is only 275 and that NT should be 290 (Pittman). Wood is 260 and should be 275. Our linemen have the perfect size to run a 4-3, but that aint happening. Wright has to draw a double team, and didn't against A&M and Baylor. I think he will more often once we get into conference against lesser teams, which will allow the LBs to make plays.

Behind them, Yenga is only 210 and Bordano 230. Too small. The Rice transfer, Horton, and the JUCO are the right size. I suspect we will see those three in the middle once they get their feet wet and we move into conference, and Yenga will move back outside. That will improve the run defense significantly I think. Especially against the lesser teams in conference.

Long term, we have a ton of LBs that are in that 210 range, big safeties. It is a long term problem. We are either going to have to recruit some large defensive linemen, and fast, or we are going to have to switch to something like the 4-2-5 that TCU uses because a lot of those guys are a good size for the rover position.

[max the wonder dog]

Stallion speak truth.

I checked the freshman QB offers on Rivals:

Colbert -- SMU, Yale

Severt -- SMU

[lwjr]

Stallion speak truth.

I checked the freshman QB offers on Rivals:

Colbert -- SMU, Yale

Severt -- SMU

D.I.T.R.

[Mustangs_Maroons]

Stallion speak truth.

I checked the freshman QB offers on Rivals:

Colbert -- SMU, Yale

Severt -- SMU

D.I.T.R.

To be fair to Yale I think they could beat us.

[ponyswim]

The ECU QB is a 5th year senior, 2 star on Rivals - from Texas.
His only other "offer" was from Harvard - which of course does not offer athletic scholarships - they just offer you the chance to go to school there.
Their star RB had one offer, no stars - one offer was Boise State.
I am NOT saying that you don't want be people that are being recruited hard by other good schools, but a lot of those under recruited guys can be pretty good. No - that should not be your recruiting strategy.
I think we have had a recruiting "problem" but we are now also have a '"player development" problem. We have to have QB's ready to play their 2nd, 3rd year. I would prefer they are really ready to play their 4th and 5th year, but they unless they are the starter they have not hung around that long.
I think (may be wrong) that maybe Cassel or Kristich can be solid QB's, but they need practice reps and game reps.
We can't change what has happened in their past right now, but going forward 3-4 games down the line one or both may be ok. I certainly hope so, because it will be ugly if they are not.

[SMU2007]

IF I HAVE TO READ ONE MORE POST ABOUT SO AND SO WHO WASNT HIGHLY RECRUITED BUT WAS SUCCESSFUL...

/facepalm

[SMU2007]

You and I both know you aren't going to see a lot with the state of the OL right now and lack of play makers at WR. By the time we get into conference it is going to be Cassell and Davis trying to figure out who can be more effective first. if you get either of those kids in the game yesterday, you still aren't going to be able to tell anything from the "tape".

We've got the statement right here - Stallion thinks that none of our QBs will have success ever in their careers. I think we have young QBs behind a young and not good OL and no top of the line receivers, but that the QBs do have the ability to be successful at some point, whether it is here or somewhere else.

I'll own up to it if we don't see anything in the next 4 years. I doubt you will if the opposite is true. But with what we have seen from the other players on offense, you can play all 6 QBs all you want and you aren't going to be able to tell a lick about if they are capable or not.

Our QBs are horrendous and someone who is as good as you at evaluating talent should be able to see that regardless of the o line

[ftworthmustang]

Whoever we have at QB better be fast. They will be running for their life.

[JasonB]

Colbert signed early. He was being looked at by Iowa State and Missouri at the time, according to ESPN, and was rated by them as the number 32 dual threat QB, but even they said he looked like a QB. I think that if he had committed to becoming a WR, he would have been offered by P5 schools. Scout had him ranked as the number 56 QB and a 3 star. The rankings and stars across the board would indicate that he was at least decently regarded.

Severt was rated as the number 57 pocket passer by ESPN, which would put him in line to be offered by a major school. ESPN's analysis stated that he should be recruited by lower-end BCS schools and heavily recruited by non-BCS. He comes out of a program where pretty much every QB has massive success, so a guarantee you he will get a chance to play somewhere even if he transfers out.

Another point of reference: the players around Severt in the QB rankings went to UCLA, Wake Forest, Nebraska, Nevada, Temple, Iowa, and Cincy

[Stallion]

We'll I've actually watched Colbert play QB on two occasions and he is not a Division 1A QB in my opinion--and I said at the time. He is an athlete-a fierce competitor and I'm sure any school looking at him was looking at him as a DB or WR. As for Severt-I've never seen him play but quite frankly there aren't many schools signing big tall immobile QBs these days. That does give a school like SMU a chance to get a QB they usually can't. Surely, he has more talent than the first 4 guys we've seen who looked completely lost in fundamental skills and ability to run this offense. He's gonna get a shot if this ineptitude continues at QB. Davis looks more lost than all 3 put together which doen't surprise me because as I said when he signed he is a square peg in a round hole in the Run N Shoot as coached by June Jones. He probably would be a much better option in a spread offense

[Rayburn]

There is no excuse for the level of talent we have. Not for a major college football team in a state like Texas. No excuse at all.