Not Good for SMU

[FriscoChuck]

Message from the committee received, "You small privates need to quit trying to play with the big boys and stick to something you are better suited to, basketball."

I see it differently. TCU and Baylor would have been in if SMU was the AAC champ instead of a cupcake.

[CalallenStang]

Multiple threads cheering for the TCU snub. While I can understand the glee from TCU's misfortune, on balance, this is not good for SMU (IMO). Let's look at it from a pros/cons point of view:

Pros of TCU Missing the Playoff
1) Those of us cheering against our rival, some level of joy.
2) TCU doesn't elevate further in stature, not making it harder for us to recruit against them.

Cons of TCU Missing the Playoff
1) If the B12 decides they need teams, they're going to pick off AAC teams (and it's very very unlikely one of those teams is SMU).
2) It's possible/likely SMU is a team those two schools will not want to play (at least until we're a scalp worth having -- in their view).
3) This could have been a knock on small private schools, at least in part. As much as I would puke in my mouth, having other small private schools in Texas be successful has some level of transference -- if we're serious about competing.

I'm personally not laughing too hard right now.

Addressing your cons list:

1) it's actually more likely that the B12 will be unable to agree on suitable expansion candidates leading to some of their schools moving to other conferences. See: Big East a few years ago. But if they do take two AAC teams, I agree that it is very unlikely one of those teams is SMU. However, SMU (and Houston) have an option that other AAC teams do not: the MWC. That lifeboat doesn't look much worse than the AAC ship, so not much lost.
2) they should get rid of FCS schools first. But if they want to cancel our series, we will take their cancellation fees and build the IPF and schedule more winnable games that are suitable for building up our program. Not the greatest thing, but not altogether negative.
3) It wasn't, and TCU and Baylor's success isn't any more transferable if they get in the playoff rather than simply being just outside.

[mavsrage311]

Great thread. This is BAD for SMU, on many levels. The college football world just showed everyone what they think of small, private schools. Not much.

You might see expanding conferences want larger public schools first. This puts the UCF's of the world at an advantage over us. Also in recruiting, this only helps the large public schools like UT and OU as they can tell everyone the Baylors, TCUs, and (maybe someday) SMU's of the world are 2nd fiddle.

Also, you might see P5's trying to stop scheduling G5's for strength of schedule reasons. All of you that think today is a good day for SMU are WRONG.

[CoxMustangFan]

Multiple threads cheering for the TCU snub. While I can understand the glee from TCU's misfortune, on balance, this is not good for SMU (IMO). Let's look at it from a pros/cons point of view:

Pros of TCU Missing the Playoff
1) Those of us cheering against our rival, some level of joy.
2) TCU doesn't elevate further in stature, not making it harder for us to recruit against them.

Cons of TCU Missing the Playoff
1) If the B12 decides they need teams, they're going to pick off AAC teams (and it's very very unlikely one of those teams is SMU).
2) It's possible/likely SMU is a team those two schools will not want to play (at least until we're a scalp worth having -- in their view).
3) This could have been a knock on small private schools, at least in part. As much as I would puke in my mouth, having other small private schools in Texas be successful has some level of transference -- if we're serious about competing.

I'm personally not laughing too hard right now.

Addressing your cons list:

1) it's actually more likely that the B12 will be unable to agree on suitable expansion candidates leading to some of their schools moving to other conferences. See: Big East a few years ago. But if they do take two AAC teams, I agree that it is very unlikely one of those teams is SMU. However, SMU (and Houston) have an option that other AAC teams do not: the MWC. That lifeboat doesn't look much worse than the AAC ship, so not much lost.
2) they should get rid of FCS schools first. But if they want to cancel our series, we will take their cancellation fees and build the IPF and schedule more winnable games that are suitable for building up our program. Not the greatest thing, but not altogether negative.
3) It wasn't, and TCU and Baylor's success isn't any more transferable if they get in the playoff rather than simply being just outside.

All seem like fair counters. It will be interesting to see what happens.

[CalallenStang]

Great thread. This is BAD for SMU, on many levels. The college football world just showed everyone what they think of small, private schools. Not much.

You might see expanding conferences want larger public schools first. This puts the UCF's of the world at an advantage over us. Also in recruiting, this only helps the large public schools like UT and OU as they can tell everyone the Baylors, TCUs, and (maybe someday) SMU's of the world are 2nd fiddle.

Also, you might see P5's trying to stop scheduling G5's for strength of schedule reasons. All of you that think today is a good day for SMU are WRONG.

Not any part of this has anything to do with the fact that Baylor and TCU are private schools. And Baylor isn't even that small.

[mavsrage311]

Great thread. This is BAD for SMU, on many levels. The college football world just showed everyone what they think of small, private schools. Not much.

You might see expanding conferences want larger public schools first. This puts the UCF's of the world at an advantage over us. Also in recruiting, this only helps the large public schools like UT and OU as they can tell everyone the Baylors, TCUs, and (maybe someday) SMU's of the world are 2nd fiddle.

Also, you might see P5's trying to stop scheduling G5's for strength of schedule reasons. All of you that think today is a good day for SMU are WRONG.

Not any part of this has anything to do with the fact that Baylor and TCU are private schools. And Baylor isn't even that small.

I disagree. If Baylor and TCU were OU or UT, one of them would be in right now.

[orguy]

Multiple threads cheering for the TCU snub. While I can understand the glee from TCU's misfortune, on balance, this is not good for SMU (IMO). Let's look at it from a pros/cons point of view:

Pros of TCU Missing the Playoff
1) Those of us cheering against our rival, some level of joy.
2) TCU doesn't elevate further in stature, not making it harder for us to recruit against them.

Cons of TCU Missing the Playoff
1) If the B12 decides they need teams, they're going to pick off AAC teams (and it's very very unlikely one of those teams is SMU).
2) It's possible/likely SMU is a team those two schools will not want to play (at least until we're a scalp worth having -- in their view).
3) This could have been a knock on small private schools, at least in part. As much as I would puke in my mouth, having other small private schools in Texas be successful has some level of transference -- if we're serious about competing.

I'm personally not laughing too hard right now.

Great post. Point number 3 is relevant though it is not so much private vs public. Its size AND tradition.

Neither TCU or Baylor are large enough in terms of fans/alumni/overall interest nationally as big behemoths like Ohio State or traditional privates (USC,ND etc). Any fan who thinks otherwise need only remember what happened to SMU in 82. We never had much cache with the northeastern national media the way Papa Jo and that behemoth of a school PSU did in 1982. If tOSU wins it this year they will be the most UNDESERVING national champion since Papa Joes PSU team of 1982. The year all those northeastern sports writers deemed SMU unworthy because they tied a top 10 Arkansas team.

The big 12 got screwed and its very relevant to SMU football.

[LA_Mustang]

As I've said in the past, we are not getting in a P5 conference, at least anytime soon. We waited too long to act. Had we made this move/hire in 2011 and it resulted in a couple of 9-3 or 10-2 seasons and a conference championship we would be prime candidates to join the Big XII.

I believe they are going to have to add two teams. My guess is BYU and Cincy, or maybe UCF. The college football world has no confidence that SMU is committed to actually compete in major college football at this point. We can't just throw a lot of money at a staff and expect everything to be okay. We've got to win consistently for several years to prove ourself and we are still a long way from that.

[orguy]

Great thread. This is BAD for SMU, on many levels. The college football world just showed everyone what they think of small, private schools. Not much.

You might see expanding conferences want larger public schools first. This puts the UCF's of the world at an advantage over us. Also in recruiting, this only helps the large public schools like UT and OU as they can tell everyone the Baylors, TCUs, and (maybe someday) SMU's of the world are 2nd fiddle.

Also, you might see P5's trying to stop scheduling G5's for strength of schedule reasons. All of you that think today is a good day for SMU are WRONG.

Agree. Shocked how many on this board do not understand this angle. Some ignorant folk on this board.

[orguy]

As I've said in the past, we are not getting in a P5 conference, at least anytime soon. We waited too long to act. Had we made this move/hire in 2011 and it resulted in a couple of 9-3 or 10-2 seasons and a conference championship we would be prime candidates to join the Big XII.

I believe they are going to have to add two teams. My guess is BYU and Cincy, or maybe UCF. The college football world has no confidence that SMU is committed to actually compete in major college football at this point. We can't just throw a lot of money at a staff and expect everything to be okay. We've got win consistently for several years to prove ourself and we are still a long way from that.

After this debacle with a small private (referring primarily to TCU) its highly unlikely the b12 ever looks at a small private again. Winning or not, the corporate good ole boy nature of the playoff committee will keep the small non traditional privates out of the picture permanently.

The BCS algorithms were much fairer. Hindsight is often 20/20

[pwnyxpress]

Message from the committee received, "You small privates need to quit trying to play with the big boys and stick to something you are better suited to, basketball."

I see it differently. TCU and Baylor would have been in if SMU was the AAC champ instead of a cupcake.

Maybe, but maybe not. SMU certainly did not help either school make their case but I think they each had worse black marks than us on their resumes.

I'm no fan of TCU, but I am appalled that they could put them at 3 last week and then drop them completely out after putting on a 50 point beat down.

[CoxMustangFan]

I honestly don't get the question marks around TCU's drop from 3 to 6. The teams around them played an extra game against a top team.

[mrydel]

The leak a week ago was the reason they dropped FSU to 4th was logistics of fan bases of FSU and Alabama. It had nothing to do with who was better. You only have to be anywhere in the top four. One place has no real advantage over the other.

[CalallenStang]

Great thread. This is BAD for SMU, on many levels. The college football world just showed everyone what they think of small, private schools. Not much.

You might see expanding conferences want larger public schools first. This puts the UCF's of the world at an advantage over us. Also in recruiting, this only helps the large public schools like UT and OU as they can tell everyone the Baylors, TCUs, and (maybe someday) SMU's of the world are 2nd fiddle.

Also, you might see P5's trying to stop scheduling G5's for strength of schedule reasons. All of you that think today is a good day for SMU are WRONG.

Not any part of this has anything to do with the fact that Baylor and TCU are private schools. And Baylor isn't even that small.

I disagree. If Baylor and TCU were OU or UT, one of them would be in right now.

Strength of schedule and most impressive performance late in the year were both owned by OSU. They got in on merit, not name.

[gostangs]

They should never have been ranked ahead of Baylor anyway. the shock was not the drop, the shock was the rank at 3.

not sure this means privates are not to be considered when adding - they want to get wins. If you go undefeated in any P-5 then you are in, regardless. This year was weird due to all the one loss teams.