Does Briles get a free pass?

[Stallion]

NCAA learned a lesson from Penn St. mess

STAY OUT of criminal matters at least until justice runs its course in the criminal case-they don't have any jurisdiction to issue any enforceable judgments on these matters at least until justice runs its course-the NCAA never should have gotten involved in Penn St. matter in the first place and the only reason they were able to enforce any penalties is because Penn St. agreed to punish itself in a settlement not by actual due process proceedings. Even a civil court will always wait for a criminal court to decide quilt or innocence before they proceed in civil court matters. Why? Because an accused or suspects rights of self incrimination stalls all legitimate due process investigations in civil or quasi judicial matters like the NCAA. The Court system -either civil or criminal or both-is designed to handle relief for the victims from both the player and Baylor University. The NCAA realized they were potentially subject to a huge judgment against it in matters like the Penn St case which is why they backed off some of the sanctions in another compromise agreement. NCAA overstepped its bounds-and they know it

[EastStang]

Yes, but those politically correct bozos at the NCAA can't help themselves. Look at the college Presidents who run schools that changed their mascots to a Hurricane in Oklahoma, a Tree in Northern California, a color in Wisconsin, a Griffin in Williamsburg. And they are proud of that. Do you think they'll let a little thing like letting a real court rule before they enact justice for womankind? And of course you'll have UT cheering them on, why? Because they've slaughtered UT the past few years.

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Ukwuachu testified at trial that Briles and the school knew everything about why he was kicked off the Boise football team. Peterson told ESPN that he thoroughly apprised Briles of the reasons for Ukwuachu's departure from the Boise football team. Briles' contradiction of these statements is self-serving, to be sure, but I acknowledge there may be valid semantic arguments on both sides.

Irrespective, depression or homesickness (or even insubordination, unless it's a particularly bad case) does not usually result in dismissal from a football team, especially when the individual in question is an All-American. That Briles and the Baylor AD didn't do a more thorough investigation into his troubles in Boise and the reasons for the dismissal from the team (as opposed to the reasons he may want to transfer to Baylor) is concerning. And their handling of the matter after the incident and after the indictment was deplorable, IMO. Baylor should be embarrassed, as should the Waco PD and the Waco Tribune. It's hard to believe that we all are just now hearing about this incident in August 2015 - nearly two years after it happened.

[Pony81]

Yep. SU said BU knew his issues all along. So we have 2 people - Peterson and SU that say BU was fully informed.

Now that the criminal case has resulted in a guilty verdict the civil case will ensue. Remember the OJ case? Goldman's parents bankrupted OJ.

So BU has thrown SU under the bus and now he will get his pound of flesh by testifying in the civil trial that BU knew all.

This will be a running saga unless BU settles with this girls family .

[Pony81]

BTW: I think WordUp is a reasonable guy who makes valid points. But the Court of Public Opinion can be brutal and I think BU is getting ready to be in for a canning.

Curious how the Board of Regents will react?

BU will beat this rap - it didn't break any laws - but it won't beat the ride ( Court of Public opinion will judge that the football program looked the other way to get a star player and the university looked the other way to protect the program ). All to the harm of an innocent girl. The reputation of the university will suffer and that is so much more valuable than a winning team.

[WordUpBU]

Chris Peterson never mentioned violence towards women. He mentioned legalese about Boise's disciplinary record wrt the player but never clarified beyond that or that it included anything of the sort.

The HS coach of the player corroborates what Briles was told as he was told the same thing by Peterson. Peterson either did not know about any domestic violence issues or neglected to inform. Based on what each has said it appears Briles told the truth about what he knew when the guy transferred.

With that said there are still plenty of ways BU as a whole screwed this deal up in judicial affairs and the treatment of the girl which combine for a reprehensible situation.

[Rebel10]

Ukwuachu testified at trial that Briles and the school knew everything about why he was kicked off the Boise football team. Peterson told ESPN that he thoroughly apprised Briles of the reasons for Ukwuachu's departure from the Boise football team. Briles' contradiction of these statements is self-serving, to be sure, but I acknowledge there may be valid semantic arguments on both sides.

Irrespective, depression or homesickness (or even insubordination, unless it's a particularly bad case) does not usually result in dismissal from a football team, especially when the individual in question is an All-American. That Briles and the Baylor AD didn't do a more thorough investigation into his troubles in Boise and the reasons for the dismissal from the team (as opposed to the reasons he may want to transfer to Baylor) is concerning. And their handling of the matter after the incident and after the indictment was deplorable, IMO. Baylor should be embarrassed, as should the Waco PD and the Waco Tribune. It's hard to believe that we all are just now hearing about this incident in August 2015 - nearly two years after it happened.

He did not get kicked off the team because of sexual assault to his girlfriend.

Here is the document that Boise sent Baylor.

https://cmgstatesmancollegesports.files ... orform.png

Notice on number 14 it reads, "Has the student been suspended or disqualified from your institution for displinary reasons?" The answer is "No."

[WordUpBU]

BU,

You're a baylor supporter coming to an SMU board, of course you are spinning it.

That assumes a lot. I've been on this board off and on a long time. Spin isn't why, talking football is.

Here's how it goes down....

Mr. President, one of your students just got raped by another student.

I have serious doubts it ever saw his desk just as I have doubts similar cases would reach Gerald Turner at SMU. A university hires an entire staff to deal with this stuff regardless of what legal experience a president has.

Accused is not just any old student, but a FOOTBALL player. And not just any old football player, but an All-American who transferred from Boise St due to 'personal' reasons.

This leads to an investigation by baylor which was so slipshod that a judge kept it out of the trail while your DC would say this summer 'Ukwuachu is a guy we're expecting to be back'.

Had he been cleared (therefore innocent) he would have. Still a stupid thing to say.

The court had a gag order on everyone at prosecutor request so he couldn't disclose the entire matter but once again it's a stupid thing to say all things considered.

And you come on this board and DEFEND this?....

I am not defending BU's overall handling of things.

or say, let's NOW do an investigation and let heads roll (in judicial affairs, of course).

Would you prefer they DON'T try to find out more and fix things? Really?

Here's the truth BU. He's your President. And not just any president, but a former Solicitor General. There's been only 46 Solicitor General's in our country's history, including 2 current Supreme Court justices. HE takes ownership of this mess, 'maybe' not as much pre-rape, but certainly 100% post rape, including that weak internal investigation. That comes with the territory....PRESIDENT.

A girl's life was tragically altered and that along with how this can be prevented on all campuses going forward should be the key focus here, regardless of who happens to be the university president.

[RGV Pony]

Can you guys start using bullet points por favor. I am a busy man

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Ukwuachu testified at trial that Briles and the school knew everything about why he was kicked off the Boise football team. Peterson told ESPN that he thoroughly apprised Briles of the reasons for Ukwuachu's departure from the Boise football team. Briles' contradiction of these statements is self-serving, to be sure, but I acknowledge there may be valid semantic arguments on both sides.

Irrespective, depression or homesickness (or even insubordination, unless it's a particularly bad case) does not usually result in dismissal from a football team, especially when the individual in question is an All-American. That Briles and the Baylor AD didn't do a more thorough investigation into his troubles in Boise and the reasons for the dismissal from the team (as opposed to the reasons he may want to transfer to Baylor) is concerning. And their handling of the matter after the incident and after the indictment was deplorable, IMO. Baylor should be embarrassed, as should the Waco PD and the Waco Tribune. It's hard to believe that we all are just now hearing about this incident in August 2015 - nearly two years after it happened.

He did not get kicked off the team because of sexual assault to his girlfriend.

Here is the document that Boise sent Baylor.

https://cmgstatesmancollegesports.files ... orform.png

Notice on number 14 it reads, "Has the student been suspended or disqualified from your institution for displinary reasons?" The answer is "No."

All that document proves is that he was never suspended or disqualified from Boise State University - it has absolutely nothing to do with the football team. No one has ever said that he was expelled from the school. Yet, it is undisputed that he was kicked off the team for violations of team rules - as I said earlier, it wasn't because the kid was homesick or depressed, and the timing of the emails in the article below certainly makes it look like Peterson took the girlfriend issues into account.

http://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/de ... -director/

So, his dismissal from the team came the very same week of these emails, during which Peterson discovered the girlfriend issues he was dealing with (or at least discovered this latest round of girlfriend issues - there may have been incidents prior to this one). Either way, it has been pretty well established that Peterson knew about the domestic violence problems.

[RyanSMU98]

Can you guys start using bullet points por favor. I am a busy man

- BU sucks
- Briles is the Devil (or maybe not)
- School admin should burn for how it was handled
- Waco's full of hypocritical lunatics
-BU sucks

How's that?


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[RGV Pony]

Very good. Thank you.

[Stallion]

-missed that NCAA is a NAZI inspired organization invented by BEVO conspiracy to keep SMU, TCU and Baylor from getting away with their cheating

[SoCal_Pony]

“I had given Jeffery Epstein a list of lawyers I worked with in the past that had been exceptionally able and Jeffrey picked from the list,” Alan Dershowitz, the world-famous criminal attorney and Harvard professor, told The Daily Beast. He also worked on Epstein’s behalf. “Ken Starr had experience in investigating sex investigations,” Dershowitz said. “He had experience as the solicitor general and as a judge. He had all the bases covered.”

I can't imagine that Ken Starr wasn't apprised of the events. A fellow student accuses an All-American football player of rape, which could have devastating consequences on your university, and you keep this info from your President, who has unprecedented experience in such issues?, call me skeptical.

I am also extremely skeptical of any investigation these clowns produce. They had their chance to prove their integrity with their investigation of the rape. They failed miserably.

[Rebel10]

Ukwuachu testified at trial that Briles and the school knew everything about why he was kicked off the Boise football team. Peterson told ESPN that he thoroughly apprised Briles of the reasons for Ukwuachu's departure from the Boise football team. Briles' contradiction of these statements is self-serving, to be sure, but I acknowledge there may be valid semantic arguments on both sides.

Irrespective, depression or homesickness (or even insubordination, unless it's a particularly bad case) does not usually result in dismissal from a football team, especially when the individual in question is an All-American. That Briles and the Baylor AD didn't do a more thorough investigation into his troubles in Boise and the reasons for the dismissal from the team (as opposed to the reasons he may want to transfer to Baylor) is concerning. And their handling of the matter after the incident and after the indictment was deplorable, IMO. Baylor should be embarrassed, as should the Waco PD and the Waco Tribune. It's hard to believe that we all are just now hearing about this incident in August 2015 - nearly two years after it happened.

He did not get kicked off the team because of sexual assault to his girlfriend.

Here is the document that Boise sent Baylor.

https://cmgstatesmancollegesports.files ... orform.png

Notice on number 14 it reads, "Has the student been suspended or disqualified from your institution for displinary reasons?" The answer is "No."

All that document proves is that he was never suspended or disqualified from Boise State University - it has absolutely nothing to do with the football team. No one has ever said that he was expelled from the school. Yet, it is undisputed that he was kicked off the team for violations of team rules - as I said earlier, it wasn't because the kid was homesick or depressed, and the timing of the emails in the article below certainly makes it look like Peterson took the girlfriend issues into account.

http://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/de ... -director/

So, his dismissal from the team came the very same week of these emails, during which Peterson discovered the girlfriend issues he was dealing with (or at least discovered this latest round of girlfriend issues - there may have been incidents prior to this one). Either way, it has been pretty well established that Peterson knew about the domestic violence problems.

Show me a statement made by Peterson specifically talking about domestic violence. If you can't then it is based on your speculation.