UNC tells NCAA they have no jurisdiction

[smusportspage]

Good grief. Why did it take so long for UNC to come up with this defense? One could see it coming a mile away. It is pretty week sauce if you ask me. NCAA will probably go for it hook line and sinker though. On another note, if the SMU basketball secretary had taken the on line class for a non-athlete student as well as for Keith that would have made everything hunky dorie? Crazy.

[Digetydog]

Good grief. Why did it take so long for UNC to come up with this defense? One could see it coming a mile away. It is pretty week sauce if you ask me. NCAA will probably go for it hook line and sinker though. On another note, if the SMU basketball secretary had taken the on line class for a non-athlete student as well as for Keith that would have made everything hunky dorie? Crazy.

When you defend a case, Time is usually your friend. By the time this gets resolved, it will be "old news" and easy to put away quietly.

[birddogger]

Good grief. Why did it take so long for UNC to come up with this defense? One could see it coming a mile away. It is pretty week sauce if you ask me. NCAA will probably go for it hook line and sinker though. On another note, if the SMU basketball secretary had taken the on line class for a non-athlete student as well as for Keith that would have made everything hunky dorie? Crazy.

When you defend a case, Time is usually your friend. By the time this gets resolved, it will be "old news" and easy to put away quietly.

Normally, I would agree that dragging out your defense is a good tactic, but you breathe new life into a case when you go scortched-earth, like UNC has. Perhaps this is a strategy designed to bring the NCAA to a compromise. But it seems to me that,for the time being, the NCAA has no choice but to prosecute the claims full-tilt. I shudder to imagine the consequences for UNC-Wilmington...

[Puckhead48E]

UNCW? [deleted], we just got a guarantee of no B12 because of this. NCAA will be sure to punish us for this!


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[EastStang]

This is kind of a brilliant defense in my view. For example, a gut course at UNC may be a difficult course at an academic toilet of a school (we won't mention names). So, how can the NCAA claim that a class made available to the general student population was a benefit to a student athlete? Let's take an example. Rice, Duke, Tulane, ND, USC, UVA and SMU are all at disadvantages in keeping athletes eligible if there weren't a few classes which were less challenging. Once the NCAA starts regulating individual classes, its stepping into a mine field. I figured UNC would take that approach. I note that the KF problem involved actual cheating on behalf of the student athlete as opposed to having a class in which an athlete got an easy C.

[Digetydog]

how can the NCAA claim that a class made available to the general student population was a benefit to a student athlete? .

Let's take a poll: Who took "Music: The Art of Listening" to fulfill their distribution requirement at SMU?

But, there is a huge difference between what happened at UNC and a "fluff" course. At UNC, there was NO ACTUAL COURSE. No classes. No tests. No papers. When it became known around campus, the UNC Athletic Departments academic advisors piled their players into the course. Does anyone seriously think it was a coincidence?

[smupony94]

how can the NCAA claim that a class made available to the general student population was a benefit to a student athlete? .

Let's take a poll: Who took "Music: The Art of Listening" to fulfill their distribution requirement at SMU?

But, there is a huge difference between what happened at UNC and a "fluff" course. At UNC, there was NO ACTUAL COURSE. No classes. No tests. No papers. When it became known around campus, the UNC Athletic Departments academic advisors piled their players into the course. Does anyone seriously think it was a coincidence?

Such an awesome class. TA turns on record player get an a. I went to some concerts for extra credit.

[smustatesman]

Huh. What did you say ? Oh, that class was filled when I tried to register for it.

[smusportspage]

"...I note that the KF problem involved actual cheating on behalf of the student athlete as opposed to having a class in which an athlete got an easy C."

The fluff class is only part of the story at UNC. As I understand it, there were term papers being written on behalf of the athlete unbeknownst to the athlete. At UNC the problem was that the fluff classes were really shell classes. The description of some of the classes say they required written assignments but none were ever turned in by athletes etc. There was actual cheating noted in the UNC written report. UNC is really not showing a good side right now. UNC Upstate better look out.

[PonyKai]

History of Rock & Roll was pretty great too. Watched a documentary for ten weeks while the professor paused it and threw in stories from living the life for 30 years.

[EastStang]

I won the registration lottery and was first in line after the football team. So for required humanities class, I got into the same section. The professor had had a stroke and couldn't talk. The players cut up every class, it was going to be heaven. Then the professor had another stroke early in the semester and died, and we got a real professor. All the football players dropped it. I still ended up with an A and that professor steered me to an even easier humanities course for the next level. At UVA the science course was Geology 101 aka "Rocks for Jocks". However at SMU Geology was one of the harder freshman classes due to our oil heritage. And for those who don't remember, the really hard to educate athletes were steered to the Dance Department where the testing was done without the requirement of written submissions. This was done carefully to avoid tense moments since some of the dance majors were gay.

[PoconoPony]

how can the NCAA claim that a class made available to the general student population was a benefit to a student athlete? .

Let's take a poll: Who took "Music: The Art of Listening" to fulfill their distribution requirement at SMU?

But, there is a huge difference between what happened at UNC and a "fluff" course. At UNC, there was NO ACTUAL COURSE. No classes. No tests. No papers. When it became known around campus, the UNC Athletic Departments academic advisors piled their players into the course. Does anyone seriously think it was a coincidence?

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I took a music appreciation course my last semester and it turned out to be one of the most difficult courses I ever took despite a background in music. Spent hours on the bios of all the classical composers for testing, recognizing 3 notes that would identify a Gregorian chant or movement of a classic, time frames and historical/church/romantic influence for the composition, instruments used in the evolution of today's orchestra...etc.