Cole Beasley making news

[ponyboy]

Consensus is impossible. Regarding what actually happened, there’s really not much debate. Read the article.

Please focus on the salient portion of the sentence that follows the “but,” and try not to quibble about one word in the far-less-relevant part before the “but.”

Knowing where it came from is vitally important piece to preventing it from wreaking further havoc.

Listen, Dukie, you’re an intelligent person. Please read the article. We need smart people like you to be informed. I will look forward to your thoughts. Thank you.

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-ori ... -at-wuhan/

[mustangxc]

I agree that knowing where it came from is vitally important to prevent future diseases from wreaking havoc, but not really important for ending this pandemic. From the beginning it made much more sense that this virus had possibly escaped from a laboratory than from eating wild animals. However, what is vitally important to ending this pandemic is for everyone to get vaccinated and there are several vaccines that have shown to limit symptoms, spread, and deaths due to COVID-19. I wish good smart people like you would put politics aside and do what is best for everyone.

[malonish]

People are using the source of the disease as a potential reason or deflection to getting the vaccine and protecting those around them. Textbook red herring shenanigans.

It doesn't matter if Covid came from Mars- the vaccine is proven safe and effective and there are so very few actual good reasons not to get it.

[ponyboy]

Ok, let me cut to brass tacks for those of you who don’t want to read. You say you don’t care; well, maybe you should.

For some time, the NAIAD has been playing with fire by funding gain-of-function coronavirus research. It was only a matter of time before something bad happened. As Director of the NAIAD, Fauci almost certainly signed off on the research at a facility, Wuhan, that was well-known to have very poor safety protocols.

When the inevitable happened and SARS2 (COVID-19) escaped from the Wuhan lab, a cover campaign was initiated and the scientific community (knowing who butters their bread) fell in line, as did a worshipful mainstream media.

If you still don’t care to know what happened or why it’s important, I can’t help you. But I, for one, don’t particularly like my public officials to lie to me, especially when they cause 3M deaths worldwide and then have the balls to stand there and issue health advice. I’m a little skeptical of what they tell me — sorry.

[mustangxc]

Like I said, knowing that information is helpful to preventing future outbreaks but does nothing to stop the current virus. Vaccines have proven to be effective at greatly reducing the spread and major issues with the disease. Being skeptical is great and I myself am mistrustful of people in general, but closing your eyes to reality is another thing altogether.

[malonish]

stuff.

This applies to the efficacy of a vaccine how? It's not useful information when regarding the lack of scientific literacy for the driver of this thread -> Mr. Bease. The brass tacks of it are that a group of dishonest people has convinced millions that whatever lab or not actually matters in the discussion of the prevention of a disease. It's silly and only serves the purpose of the dishonest folks that survive on a grift. If one is upset about the dead as they rightfully should be then getting vaccinated will prevent millions more.

[ponyboy]

Your main point is well taken, except for the fact that science… isn’t. Do I think the vaccine is effective? Would it not be an act of love and compassion to get it? Probably, and therefore probably. I’ll think it over and, most importantly, pray about it.

[EastStang]

Why is Pfizer pushing a booster shot if its effective? I got the Pfizer shot, this doesn't give me the warm fuzzies.

[dalpony]

For the new strain

[HubbaHubba]

It's like beer; 2 is good but 3 is better.

[JasonB]

Ok, let me cut to brass tacks for those of you who don’t want to read. You say you don’t care; well, maybe you should.

For some time, the NAIAD has been playing with fire by funding gain-of-function coronavirus research. It was only a matter of time before something bad happened. As Director of the NAIAD, Fauci almost certainly signed off on the research at a facility, Wuhan, that was well-known to have very poor safety protocols.

When the inevitable happened and SARS2 (COVID-19) escaped from the Wuhan lab, a cover campaign was initiated and the scientific community (knowing who butters their bread) fell in line, as did a worshipful mainstream media.

If you still don’t care to know what happened or why it’s important, I can’t help you. But I, for one, don’t particularly like my public officials to lie to me, especially when they cause 3M deaths worldwide and then have the balls to stand there and issue health advice. I’m a little skeptical of what they tell me — sorry.

One thing that is awesome about how these programs are set up is that we have a ton of whistleblower protocols set in place for abuse of power, which we have seen over the past few years.

What is also awesome and well known is that scientists hate politicians.

IF the lab in China leaked the virus (maybe it did, maybe it didn't), and there is an attempt at a coverup within the CDC or NAIAD, scientists will absolutely blow the whistle on it, and we will all find out about it.

If you think that any scientific community would ever "fall in line" with the media or politicians, you really, really don't know anybody within the scientific community. The same laughable statement was made in regards to global warming, is a complete joke, and is really targeting people who have no contact with anyone in science.

The scientists that I know are quite intelligent, have a strong moral compass, and are the most incredibly sarcastic and skeptical people you have ever met. It doesn't take much for them to complain non-stop that a process wasn't perfectly followed. You need to be picturing more Big Brain Theory and less whatever hollywood movie comes to mind.

[ponyboy]

I thought the same thing. Read the article.

[Dukie]

I thought the same thing. Read the article.

I'll just point you to what mustangxc said. I have not debated viral origins with you and am not particularly interested in doing so. For the purposes of truly ending this pandemic and minimizing risk, getting vaccine jabs in arms is what matters, not whether this virus is wild, manmade, or man-modified.

[PerunaPunch]

Just to add a little wood to the fire:

"The Food and Drug Administration is reportedly expected to administer a new warning on the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine and a possible link to Guillain-Barré, a rare autoimmune nerve disorder.
The Washington Post, citing four individuals familiar with the matter, said the warning is expected after about 100 cases of Guillain-Barre occurred against a backdrop of nearly 12.8 million Johnson & Johnson vaccine recipients. The Post reported the cases occurred about two weeks post-vaccination, mostly among men, with many aged over 50."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain–Barré_syndrome

[malonish]

It's like beer; 2 is good but 3 is better.

This. Also how many other vaccines have boosters and they keep old diseases from blowing up?