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Re: TCU fans

Postby Big Hoss » Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:53 am

Puckhead48E wrote:
Big Hoss wrote:No TCU should not have been in the playoff. the 4 teams that made it in were all champions of a conference who had a championship game. TCU needed to run the table if they were only going to play 12 games. They didn't.


Soooo, a 1 loss "co-champion" or even champion in Big12 shouldn't be in the playoff if Marshall pulls off another 12 win season and wins their championship game because....they won a championship game? What about a 1 loss Big12 champion against a 2 loss SEC or Big10 championship game winner? Blanket statements absent defining information are lazy.


About as lazy as throwing out champions of a non-P5 conference? Marshall? Really?

I'll further qualify my statement with "one loss champions". Kinda thought that was implied there sport.
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Re: TCU fans

Postby Charleston Pony » Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:04 am

Given the initial bowl results, the argument can be made that TCU belonged among the top 4 instead of FSU, but the committee still got it right. You don't omit the defending champion when they went unbeaten this year. They can only play & beat the teams on their schedule and that included Clemson (they beat them without Winston), Notre Dame, Ga Tech, Louisville and OU. All very competitive teams. It just looks like Oregon is unstoppable right now....but the same can be said for Ohio State who overcame some tough calls to come back and win that game. Looks to me like the 2 best teams are in the finals, but I'd love to know what TCU might have fared against either one of them.
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Postby GiddyUp » Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:40 am

Nacho wrote:Baylor should be in the playoff. They beat tcu. Osu selection is a joke. Typical ncaa.
might want to recheck that statement
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Re: TCU fans

Postby Treadway21 » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:20 pm

Stallion wrote:I really don't think Baylor choked
I think about 5 freakish events combined for a big comeback
The Facemask call
The Blocking in Back Call
The perfect catch from the blocked FG
The FG that hit the upright
Baylor Offense didn't have a final shot

those come quickly to mind. Maybe the Baylor Special Teams choked

Was PB pulling double duty and coaching the special teams for Baylor.

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Re: TCU fans

Postby StallionsModelT » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:37 pm

Baylor absolutely choked. Up 20 in the fourth quarter and lost the game. Regardless of any crazy set of circumstances that led to their demise they allowed them all to happen. The game was there to be won if they had shown any poise at all. They choked.
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Re: TCU fans

Postby Mustangs_Maroons » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:43 pm

In the nfl when it's a two-team tie the first tiebreaker is head to head. Based on the evidence in the regular season I domt think there's any argument to have tcu over baylor simply bc baylor beat them. For those that argue that it was close, so what? The wv game was close as well. Close only counts in horseshoes amd hand grenades.

The cowboys for instance were in a 3 way tie so the head to head against Seattle doesn't matter and the nfl goes to conference record which I'm this case they're both the same. The cowvoys fans aren't co,plaiting about this as much as so,e of you guys are that tcu got screwed. I think dallas has a much better argument but those are the rules. Have a comference champion like the pac 12 and tcu would have gotten their chance. But the big 12 gambled amd lost.

I will also say that IMO msu right now is a much more complete amd better coached team than ole miss.
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Re: TCU fans

Postby StallionsModelT » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:46 pm

Ole Miss looked like they wanted to be anywhere but the Peach Bowl. Didn't even get off the bus.
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Re: TCU fans

Postby Stallion » Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:46 pm

The NFL is completely irrelevant based on NCAA Selection Criteria-plus the NCAA does not have a tie-breaker between 2 teams they analyze all teams for 4 spots. The SEC was the one that insisted that the best 4 teams get in regardless of championship. That's also how the SEC has gotten multiple spots in BCS Bowl Games. Remember the year LSU and Alabama were No. 1-2. They both would have theoretically gotten in over 2 P5 Champions despite both being in SEC West and in even though Alabama didn't win an SEC or SEC Divisional Championship
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Re: TCU fans

Postby SoCal_Pony » Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:02 pm

If I was Briles, I'd shave the mustache.
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Re: TCU fans

Postby Mustangs_Maroons » Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:05 pm

I used the nfl tiebreaker rule as a reference point for how it's done in the professional league not bc I said it's how it is currently applied to the ncaa.

On the LSU Alabama game I felt they got that right. Who would you have rather have had? Oklahoma state? The team that lost to Stanford In their bowl game. They had also lost one game the same as Alabama, but the difference is alabama lost to the only undefeated team that year in LSU. Check out the wiki report. It was the pac 12 and b12 that didn't want the playoff back when it was proposed. No doubt the sec wanted it bc they felt they could get two teams but I think this year has shown that as long as the other conferences have legitimate champions we won't see 2 teams from the same conference unless they expand it to 8 or if one of the conference champions has more than one loss)...

LSU was selected to participate in the BCS National Championship Game after a 13–0 regular season that culminated with a 42–10 win over the University of Georgia in the 2011 SEC Championship Game. Alabama was picked as the other half of the match-up following an 11–1 campaign, with their only loss coming against LSU in overtime during the regular season. Over the following weeks, a series of upsets resulted in the Crimson Tide receiving a No. 2 ranking in the final BCS Rankings to qualify for the championship game. The selection of Alabama was controversial, and decried by writers such as Rick Reilly, and by fans who claimed other opponents, most prominently the Oklahoma State Cowboys (who finished second in most of the computer rankings), were more deserving of a spot in the game. The controversy lent support to the ever-increasing call for a college football playoff. Ironically, it was the conferences whose teams finished 3rd and 4th (the Big 12 and the Pac-12) who had rejected the SEC's proposal for a 4-team playoff system in 2008.

This game was the first time in the 14-year history of the BCS that the National Championship Game featured two teams from the same conference, let alone the same division (similar to what happened in the 2011 NCAA Division I Baseball Tournament six months prior, featuring two teams from the SEC, although that match-up came about through a playoff). This was also the first time that the BCS National Championship Game was a rematch from a regular season game, although the 1996 season's Bowl Alliance National Championship game was also a rematch, when Florida defeated Florida State 52–20 for the national title in the 1997 Sugar Bowl. As a result of the matchup, the SEC's streak of producing the BCS champion was assured of extending to six straight seasons.
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Re: TCU fans

Postby ReedFrawg » Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:32 pm

StallionsModelT wrote:Ole Miss looked like they wanted to be anywhere but the Peach Bowl. Didn't even get off the bus.


Just like when any sec team gets blown out in a bowl. Happens every time, every season...
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Re: TCU fans

Postby StallionsModelT » Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:55 pm

ReedFrawg wrote:
StallionsModelT wrote:Ole Miss looked like they wanted to be anywhere but the Peach Bowl. Didn't even get off the bus.


Just like when any sec team gets blown out in a bowl. Happens every time, every season...


I'm not taking anything away from what TCU did. Their coaches and players came out with something to prove and flat out dominated. But to think that Ole Miss looked energized and excited about that game is being divorced from reality.
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Re: TCU fans

Postby Puckhead48E » Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:02 pm

I'm going to have to go with what all commentators said about Ole Miss...they absolutely wanted this game. They had to prove they weren't just a 1/2 a season flash in the pan. They haven't done anything on the football field even close to resembling competition for, well, ever. So they started off hot and were the underdog that exceeded expectations...until the underdog label was removed and they returned to their prior results. They needed to prove they weren't a 1 off team. Well, the cocky SEC mentality showed its head again and they paid for it dearly. Add to that mentality the fact that none of them have been in this position before and you get a team that came to play and was steamrolled early and had their backs and their wills broken quickly. To throw in the "I'm not taking anything away from TCU" crap in there is the same old excuse made every year. Despise TCU, but they outclassed and outperformed Ole Miss in every aspect of the game. Ole Miss was beaten so badly, even Fatterson called off the dogs.
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Re: TCU fans

Postby GiddyUp » Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:22 pm

Stallion wrote:I really don't think Baylor choked
I think about 5 freakish events combined for a big comeback
The Facemask call
The Blocking in Back Call
The perfect catch from the blocked FG
The FG that hit the upright
Baylor Offense didn't have a final shot

those come quickly to mind. Maybe the Baylor Special Teams choked


Yes, Baylor choked. you don't have 5 freakish plays that determine your outcome. Stupid decisions by Briles. They choked on D and many other. Game was in the bag. Hats off to MSU but Baylor choked.
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Re: TCU fans

Postby redpony » Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:42 pm

And MSU deserved to win after all of the missed calls by the officials on PI and other mistakes by BU that were never called. Even the commentators made comments about the lack of calls on the bears.
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