Was The Rise Real?

[Stallion]

mustangxc : "No you did not say SMU would go bowling in year 3. In fact you called me an idiot for suggesting during the 2016 season that 2017 was bowl or bust. Quit making excuses for Chad! He was a good not great coach. He may very well become a great coach but was not worth a penny more than what we were paying him for the results he was producing. I would even argue we overpaid him given that Tulsa and Houston got similar coaches for much less.[/quote]

I predicted numerous times that SMU would go to a Bowl in 2017 over many years including this preseason (which I linked to your post) and predicted all 7 wins this year. Your comment "boom or bust" remains ridiculous nevertheless. It took Ron Meyer 5 years-it took Jackie Sherrill 4 years recruiting at Texas A&M-it took Bill McCartney 4 years at Colorado. What the hell does "bust" mean. The important part about building a powerhouse football team is not about going to the Petunia Bowl in Year 3-ts about being national competitive when the rebuilding is complete. Your suggestion of Boom or Bust would suggest that Ron Meyer, Jackie Sherrill and Bill McCartney were busts who apparently should have been fired after 3 year. If you think that then you are a bigger [deleted] than I thought. What if we had won 6 games and not made a bowl-are you seriously suggesting a Coach that was +5 in 3 years should be fired. Go watch the NFL because you are out of your element discussing total rebuilds in College Football which take 3-4 years if the program had bottomed out. I nailed it.

[footballdad]

Next year is the year! Right on track!

[mtrout]

UCF was 0-12 in 2015. I guess their roster was stacked but George O'Leary was feeding his team estrogen at the training table?

[mustangxc]

I predicted numerous times that SMU would go to a Bowl in 2017 over many years including this preseason (which I linked to your post) and predicted all 7 wins this year. Your comment "boom or bust" remains ridiculous nevertheless. It took Ron Meyer 5 years-it took Jackie Sherrill 4 years recruiting at Texas A&M-it took Bill McCartney 4 years at Colorado. What the hell does "bust" mean. The important part about building a powerhouse football team is not about going to the Petunia Bowl in Year 3-ts about being national competitive when the rebuilding is complete. Your suggestion of Boom or Bust would suggest that Ron Meyer, Jackie Sherrill and Bill McCartney were busts who apparently should have been fired after 3 year. If you think that then you are a bigger [deleted] than I thought. What if we had won 6 games and not made a bowl-are you seriously suggesting a Coach that was +5 in 3 years should be fired. Go watch the NFL because you are out of your element discussing total rebuilds in College Football which take 3-4 years if the program had bottomed out. I nailed it.

Way to side-step on the narrative. Now you suggest that my statement was idiotic because we may not have made a bowl game as a 6-win team. Wow! You are the king of spin! You definitely belong in Washington. If we had not won 6 or more games with this schedule Chad Morris would absolutely have been a failure at SMU. As it stands I think he moved things in the right direction but gets an incomplete. Time will tell if he really did move things forward or simply put a bandaid on our team. You did not nail anything because you say now that you predicted a bowl game at the beginning of the season yet you called that prediction asinine one year earlier.

[Stallion]

Then you just proved yourself to be a huge dumbass-the College Football Hall of Fame is filled with Coaches that don't met your "Boom or Bust" standard. Its not spin at all-I gave you 3 examples of Hall of Fame caliber Coaches who took 4-5 years to rebuild their programs which you would have labeled a failure and apparently would have fired them--there are plenty more. Hayden Fry is a 4th who took 5 years to achieve his first winning season and take SMU to its only other Cotton Bowl in 50 years. Keep showing you don't know what the hell you are talking about

[mustangxc]

That was a different era. Keep using insults and manipulation instead of facts.

[Stallion]

Thanks because of you SMU would have fired our only two Coaches who built Cotton Bowl teams in 69 years. Get it through your head-a total rebuild is achieved through identifying, recruiting and developing new players. You have only seen 2.5 years of the talent infusion in this rebuild when you generally have 4.5 years of recruited talent on a team-4 recruiting classes but .5 in a 5th redshirted class. Nothing has changed over the years to change that fact with regard to a total rebuild which is the common theme between Hayden Fry, Ron Meyer and Chad Morris. In fact, Chad Morris was the only one with a winning record by Year 3

[mustangxc]

Recent evidence shows that you can have a middling team by the 3rd season. Willie Taggart, Chad Morris, and soon Willie Fritz will show that. While June Jones stopped recruiting he still left us with some talent as the NFL draft will show. Heck even June Jones at Hawaii and Todd Graham at Rice had instant success off horrible programs!

[Stallion]

A TOTAL REBUILD in College Football is analogous to an expansion team in the NFL

Congrats you would have fired Tom Landry who didn't have a winning record until Year 7. What a loser. Want to keep playing?

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

Thanks because of you SMU would have fired our only two Coaches who built Cotton Bowl teams in 69 years.

mustangxc I am trying to stay up while sipping Nog at Milos....
just to be clear have you ever advocated past or present that SMU should have fired Chad Morris?

[mustangxc]

Thanks because of you SMU would have fired our only two Coaches who built Cotton Bowl teams in 69 years.

mustangxc I am trying to stay up while sipping Nog at Milos....
just to be clear have you ever advocated past or present that SMU should have fired Chad Morris?

No, here is the direct quote with the link below.

I think you have to give Chad Morris a pass this season even if we end the season with 2 wins. However, I think his job is on the line in 2017. The way I see it is bowl or bust in 2017.

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[Stallion]

he said the 3rd year would be "Boom or Bust" and that if SMU didn't make a Bowl in Year 3 then Morris was a failure. You fire Busts and failures.

Going to have to give back all of Doc Hayes SWC Championships and NCAA Tournaments too. Only 1 winning record (7-5) in the SWC in his first 7 years and No NCAA Tournament or Championship until Year 8

[mtrout]

In the 50s it took Paul Bryant 3 seasons to go from 1-9 to undefeated.

Junction boys vs twitter boys.

Idk wtf we are talking about anymore. Chad sucks.

[Stallion]

mustangxc aka the guy who would have labeled the following Coaches a bust and a failure after 3 years:

Ron Meyer
Bill McCartney
Jackie Sherrill
Hayden Fry
Tom Landry
Doc Hayes

just tossed about 35 Championships in the trash. with your genius 3 years or bust theory and ended the careers of about 6 Hall of Fame caliber coaches

[footballdad]

He just won't stop!!!

The original question asked....but never answered....was:

"after three years of Chad's "great recruiting" why is our defense cupboard so bare?"

Reading between the lines, and insults, I guess the answer is it takes 4-5 years to notice any difference......which is complete and utter nonsense.