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Re: Was The Rise Real?

Postby mustangxc » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:13 pm

Stallion wrote:mustangxc aka the guy who would have labeled the following Coaches a bust and a failure after 3 years:

Ron Meyer
Bill McCartney
Jackie Sherrill
Hayden Fry
Tom Landry
Doc Hayes

just tossed about 35 Championships in the trash. with your genius 3 years or bust theory and ended the careers of about 6 Hall of Fame caliber coaches


No I would not have advocated firing those coaches. I simply said that if we could not produce 6 wins this season with the softest possible schedule in college football Chad Morris was a failure. I was very confident we would meet or exceed that metric and we did. I always advocate patience as I was in agreement with giving Phil Bennett a sixth season and once it was decided not to fire June Jones following the ASU debacle to give June Jones an opportunity to show he could win with the guys we was signing. I also advocated for patience with Matt Doherty. If anything I am guilty of being too patient.

We all make mistakes, but thankfully I am not the one remembered for cursing the day SMU let UNT sign Todd Dodge saying we would eternally regret that decision.
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Re: Was The Rise Real?

Postby Stallion » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:15 pm

That Wake Forest victory over Texas A&M might never of happened if mustangxc was AD because Wake under Dave Clawson never was better than 6-6 in regular season until Year 4
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Re: Was The Rise Real?

Postby mustangxc » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:15 pm

Take a close look at the schedules and then come back. 2017 at SMU was an anomaly due to the softest possible schedule.
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Re: Was The Rise Real?

Postby mtrout » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:17 pm

Our 2017 "almost win" record was pretty impressive though.
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Re: Was The Rise Real?

Postby Stallion » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:29 pm

I'll give you this one-should have been fired--but SMU has to give back its 1993-94 SWC Basketball Championship too because Jon Shumate didn't have a winning record until his 5th year. Mustangxc is literally erasing almost all of SMU's modern Championship History with his 3 year Boom or Bust/Failure Theory.
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Re: Was The Rise Real?

Postby Charleston Pony » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:31 pm

mtrout wrote:Our 2017 "almost win" record was pretty impressive though.


Aside from the 7 wins against weaker opponents, that may have been the most impressive thing about this season, i.e., that we were at least competitive with teams that had humiliated us in Chad's 1st & 2nd seasons. Again, no rational person can argue today's roster has less talent than what Chad inherited....but as for the question about our lack of defensive talent, it is clear that Chad followed the JJ script and recruited offense 1st.

Just as JJ said when he arrived, you have to be exciting and score points if you want to increase attendance. The, when you get good enough to outscore your opponents, it gets easier to recruit defensive players but the truth is the most skilled players want to play on the offensive side of the ball. Remains to be seen whether any of Morris' defensive recruits will mature and help some day. Agree that Sonny needs to be scouring the region, if not country, for some bigger, faster defensive players who can help tight away. I wish him luck.
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Re: Was The Rise Real?

Postby mustangxc » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:31 pm

Meanwhile you are showing everyone what an irrational lunatic you are.
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Re: Was The Rise Real?

Postby 78pony » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:33 pm

mtrout wrote:Our 2017 "almost win" record was pretty impressive though.


Our 2017 "got very lucky to win thanks to bonehead plays by Cincy, Tulsa, and Tulane" record was impressive as well.
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Re: Was The Rise Real?

Postby Stallion » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:35 pm

Irrational? I'm bringing the facts-something you should learn so your posts wouldn't suck so much and expose your lack of knowledge of College/SMU athletics

-by my calculations mustangxc as AD would have erased 14 SMU Football and Basketball SWC Championships by his 3 year Boom or Bust/Failure Theory
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Re: Was The Rise Real?

Postby footballdad » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:36 pm

mustangxc wrote:Meanwhile you are showing everyone what an irrational lunatic you are.


Just keep giving him rope.........this is :lol:
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Re: Was The Rise Real?

Postby SMU_Alum11 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:43 pm

I don’t get why all this retrospective crap is happening. I get maybe some fun theoretical discussions (what-ifs) but what’s done is done. Are main thing is: 1) was Sonny Dykes a good hire 2) if not, will he bring in some awesome recruiters and coordinators 3) how much of recruiting class will stay and who will be picked up. We need to forget about chad as much as chad has forgotten about us. My hope is that I’m wrong about Sonny and that he brings in a great staff and we keep the train rolling. The bowl game, IMHO, was a fluke. It was a QB coached game and that will lead to disaster in the highest probability. I think we still have a great team and that will hopefully get us to 6-6.
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Re: Was The Rise Real?

Postby 1017 Mustang » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:47 pm

Charleston Pony wrote:
mtrout wrote:Our 2017 "almost win" record was pretty impressive though.

Agree that Sonny needs to be scouring the region, if not country, for some bigger, faster defensive players who can help tight away. I wish him luck.


Looking at teams bowling this season we need to be looking at some defenders like those that are at Northwestern, Wake Forest and Duke--because they have some athletes who can play and make it in school. I'm sure they would love to play in Texas.
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Re: Was The Rise Real?

Postby 78pony » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:57 pm

1017 Mustang wrote:
Charleston Pony wrote:
mtrout wrote:Our 2017 "almost win" record was pretty impressive though.

Agree that Sonny needs to be scouring the region, if not country, for some bigger, faster defensive players who can help tight away. I wish him luck.


Looking at teams bowling this season we need to be looking at some defenders like those that are at Northwestern, Wake Forest and Duke--because they have some athletes who can play and make it in school. I'm sure they would love to play in Texas.


Not sure I understand? I suspect if they were good high school prospects, then someone in Texas would have offered them, and they could have satisfied that love itch. If they were not good hs prospects, who then became accomplished in college, then good for them. Competing against Duke, Northwestern and Wake is by no means an automatic win for us. In fact, unless you had a love for Dallas/Texas/SMU/lovlier women/etc, I could see reasons to pick any of those three schools. I wish it weren't that way but...
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Re: Was The Rise Real?

Postby 1017 Mustang » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:21 pm

78pony wrote:Not sure I understand? I suspect if they were good high school prospects, then someone in Texas would have offered them, and they could have satisfied that love itch. If they were not good hs prospects, who then became accomplished in college, then good for them. Competing against Duke, Northwestern and Wake is by no means an automatic win for us. In fact, unless you had a love for Dallas/Texas/SMU/lovlier women/etc, I could see reasons to pick any of those three schools. I wish it weren't that way but...


I am just saying that there are very good football players at these schools that are our ideal academic peers. And they compete successfully at a P5 level. Maybe if we competed with Northwestern or Wake Forest for recruits we could be more successful than trying to take kids away from aTm, Houston or Texas Tech
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Re: Was The Rise Real?

Postby Stallion » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:49 pm

We tried that from 1989-2007 and went to no bowl games and had 1 winning season. Since 2008 we've gone to 5 Bowl Games and won 4 Basketball Titles (2 AAC Championship, 2 AAC Tourney Championships). We recruit high academics too-the athletic/academic balance is the best right now than it has been in decades and both our FB and BB players are representing our school better than I ever remember
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