How do A&M and UT get away with this stuff???

[mr. pony]

One more thing.......

Somebody was fishing when they landed and gutted SMU in '87.

[mr. pony]

Do you have any "proof", counselor, that I'm a basement conspiracy theorist?

[abezontar]

the absence of proof is not proof of absence

[Hoop Fan]

LH, on one hand you say everybody in D-1 is doing it, on the other hand you seem to be saying despite what the Aggie recruit said, there must not be anything to it. How do you know? Especially, based on your assumption that everybody is doing it.

It does seem there are different standards for punishment and more importantly investigation by the NCAA, which is what drives alot of people around the country crazy. The elite programs get better treatment than the average BSC schools, who get better treatment than your average mid majors, who get better treatment than the DIII schools. Case in point that Missouri D-III school that the ncaa threw the book at last year. Meanwhile, Alabama is Alabama. Massive corruption and they get off scott free basically.

Maybe the kid just misspoke horribly, but maybe he didn't. You know how the quote would be treated were it pertaining to SMU.

[LonghornFan68]

LH, on one hand you say everybody in D-1 is doing it, on the other hand you seem to be saying despite what the Aggie recruit said, there must not be anything to it. How do you know? Especially, based on your assumption that everybody is doing it.

It does seem there are different standards for punishment and more importantly investigation by the NCAA, which is what drives alot of people around the country crazy. The elite programs get better treatment than the average BSC schools, who get better treatment than your average mid majors, who get better treatment than the DIII schools. Case in point that Missouri D-III school that the ncaa threw the book at last year. Meanwhile, Alabama is Alabama. Massive corruption and they get off scott free basically.

Maybe the kid just misspoke horribly, but maybe he didn't. You know how the quote would be treated were it pertaining to SMU.

First, I didn't say every school cheats. All I said is that if you're going to make a baseless assumption about one school you might as well make it about all others... even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Second, I'm not naive enough to think that there aren't improprieties going on at UT. However, until concrete evidence surfaces, I assume that any wrongdoings are prett minor and pretty typical. There's many people on here that seem to think they can absolutely prove someting they can't.

[The Stampede]

I don't think the stipend was his deciding factor and I never said that. The deciding factor was probably his brother playing for ATM (QB Jamie McCoy) and about six other guys from his high school in Midland.

A lot of recruits come from diverse and sometimes, harder backgrounds. He sees his brother living a good life with spending $ that they possibly did not have at home.

I really think this quote was just taken out of context. Go visit Texags and see what they say.

[Danny Noonan]

I think LF68 is trying to say the title of this thread could've just as easily said:

How do Texas A&M and Notre Dame(or anyone) get away with this?

Why throw Texas under the bus for something an A&M recruit said? "A" has nothing to do with "B."

LF68, get used to it. This is the way things are around here. Just bitter. Rather than give credit to anyone, it is easier to just say they cheated.

Forget that UT is the flagship university in one of the three most talent rich states in the nation. Forget that most of your signees committed back in the summer (if they were interested in $$$, you'd think they'd want another 8 months of offers). Forget that MB has an excellent reputation and kids actually want to play for him, as he's only had one player (VY) ever leave early for the pros.

No, you're not good for any of those reasons. You're not good because Austin is a cool place to live. You're not good because you're a Top 10 program all time.

Nope. They only way you could possibly be good is that you're paying your players. And this quote by an A&M recruit is 100% proof that you're doing just that.

[Hoop Fan]

I didn't make one damn reference to UT and only one or two people in this thread did. You are making a blanket statement about people around 'here', just like you are saying they are making blanket statements about UT. As if you have to worry about what anybody on the SMU board says about UT anyway.

[LonghornFan68]

I didn't make one damn reference to UT and only one or two people in this thread did. You are making a blanket statement about people around 'here', just like you are saying they are making blanket statements about UT. As if you have to worry about what anybody on the SMU board says about UT anyway.

Actually, I do because I'm also a fan of SMU. I've been watching this program slowly get better over the last few years and want to continue to watch it blossom.

[LonghornFan68]

I think LF68 is trying to say the title of this thread could've just as easily said:

How do Texas A&M and Notre Dame(or anyone) get away with this?

Yup. exactly what I was trying to say.

[Danny Noonan]

I didn't make one damn reference to UT and only one or two people in this thread did. You are making a blanket statement about people around 'here', just like you are saying they are making blanket statements about UT. As if you have to worry about what anybody on the SMU board says about UT anyway.

I was more referring to the title of the thread which throws UT in for no reason. If you didn't accuse them of cheating, then I'm not talking to you. It seemed like a lot more than 2 or 3 posters, but then I realized that mr. pony just replied to himself about 8 times.

But, yes, people* around here consistantly accuse UT of cheating with absolutely no proof whatsoever.

*Disclaimer: This in no way means 100% of ponyfans posters.

[EastStang]

Ever read "Meat on the Hoof" about Darryl Royal's UT program. Let's talk proof. I noticed that when Cedric Benson was arrested during his junior year, he was not represented by the public defender's office, but by one of the better known criminal attorney's in Austin. I'm sure his parents paid for that lawyer out of their earnings.

[LonghornFan68]

Ever read "Meat on the Hoof" about Darryl Royal's UT program. Let's talk proof. I noticed that when Cedric Benson was arrested during his junior year, he was not represented by the public defender's office, but by one of the better known criminal attorney's in Austin. I'm sure his parents paid for that lawyer out of their earnings.

Or maybe the lawyer did it pro-bono.

[Danny Noonan]

Ever read "Meat on the Hoof" about Darryl Royal's UT program. Let's talk proof. I noticed that when Cedric Benson was arrested during his junior year, he was not represented by the public defender's office, but by one of the better known criminal attorney's in Austin. I'm sure his parents paid for that lawyer out of their earnings.

I fail to see the proof. Didn't Benson also play pro baseball? Is their no other explanation?

A few of our players drive nice cars. Am I just supposed to jump to the conclusion that SMU paid for them? That's your logic.

[MustangIcon]

I have proof of nothing. This was just a post about a comment a kid made that was less than well thought through. It is a fun thing to read about and something completely within the realm of speculating about on a football board.

I stated in the beggining of the post that the artcile had nothing to do with UT and that I was merely lumping them in to the conversation. Larry/Magic, Yaks/Sox, Peas/Carrotts, Aggies/Longhorns- all of these combos are things that when I think of one, I immediately think of the other.

You hear about UT and wonder all the time. It is speculation and something to talk about while we are all at work chatting up college sports. Some of you need to calm down a bit. I don't think the NCAA will be beating down UT's door with an investigation bc I included their name in my post.

And yes I do question UT for a lot of things. I hear stories about all the down and out kids from a poor family that aspire to great things at UT. Then I hear how they have a brand new SUV with sound system and wheels to boot. I am not saying that UT is the only school I wonder about, but it is the one I have most exposure to and have heard stories about bc I live in Texas. The statement about the title could have just have easily replaced UT with ND is very true.

With that said I would like to change the name of my thread to:
"It sucks that every team in the NCAA gets away with paying players, but they busted us, gave us the death penalty, set our program back 30 years, and now everyone still pays players but we can't bc of our past."

I hope this clarifys things for everyone.