Attendance at NT

[Original Frank]

FrogSnob Idiot Alert!

For the record, FrogSnob, please substantiate your ridiculous statement above that SMU has ever failed to draw 5,000 to home football games. Attendance records are available, please let us know to which game or season you refer. If you had any credibility, such reckless statements would cause you to put it at risk. SU does not draw well, I think everyone knows that. Your statement, while intended to put SMU down, does not even support your goal. It just reveals you as the anti-SMU Frog supporter yet again.

[SoCal_Pony]

So let me get this straight...

Most informed people would say at most 2,500 fans will show up for the NTSU game.

I have been to SMU games when 2nd half attendence could not be more than 7,500 fans.


Stallion calls out Mr. Pony because he overstated his estimate by 2,500. He does not use personal attacks, just questions him.

Pony Snob understates his amount by 2,500 and he is called a Frog, an anti-SMU supporter and an idiot.

Hey, maybe PS confused FB with BB. Now that is a question. Outside of the TTech / Bobby Knight game, how many times in the past 10 years has Moody had more than 5,000 fans.

[Original Frank]

Thank you for assisting in making my point. Surely you will agree that anyone who confuses football with basketball is indeed an idiot. FrogSnob is an idiot and, if you have been around here very long, you will agree that FrogSnob is an "undercover" TCU supporter who lists degrading SMU posts here so that he can support TCU recruiting. His juvenile anti-SMU propoganda is meant to provide nothing constructive, it is purely intended to demean.

Actually, his posts have diminished since TCU officially became SMU's cross-town whipping boys by virtue of SMU victories in both football and basketball this year.

[Original Frank]

By the way, only a few years ago SMU had lots of basketball crowds in excess of 5,000. The Sasser/Willie Davis years produced several great games against Tulsa, Rice, UNLV, Frsno, and the like which had a great atmosphere and drew attendance of 5500 to 7000. I remember the midnight "pajama party" against TCU on ESPN in Sasser's freshman year. It was jam packed with not a seat available in the house. In those days, SMU basketball was still considered relevant in the local sports landscape.

Basketball attandance will be much improved just as soon as SMU institutionally decides to place a competitive progam on the floor. As I have stated before, basketball is much easier to improve and rebuild than is football (I appologize for confusing FrogSnob yet again). It only takes two or three great players and a few good role players. In football, it takes far more. Plus, it is easier to fill up 7000 seats than 30,000.

[BrianTinBigD]

Lubbock and Denton, back to back. What did we do to deserve this! This is like having to play in Fresno and Boise. Except that, ah heck fill in your own nasty comments about Lubbock and Denton.

I expect that you will see 3-4K from the SMU side unless the school actually encourages a bus caravan to the game. Could you imagine if the Athletic department actually had that kind of foresight and planned such an event.

[MeanGreenGem]

Well, I will be bringing at least 7 with me. My wife is finishing a second degree at UNT and I have talked her friend from school and husband into going. Further, I have a younger cousin that goes there as well so I will have her come with her parents and my parents are going to the game as well. Granted, my cousin will be wearing UNT, but my wife and parents will be all SMU and after bringing her friend from school and husband to SMU for a few games last year, they will probably be wearing SMU gear as well. Kinda funny to have UNT people wearing SMU when they didn't go to SMU, but I'll take it. The more fans the better.

Jeez, lugus830, all that sounds like a chapter out of the book "Incest: Academically Speaking!" Subtitled (A Family Tree With Only One Limb) Wonder what UNT Masters & Phd degreed grad "Dr. Phil" might have to say about all THAT? Yall wouldn't be related to ol' Phil, too, now would you?!?!?!? (Why couldn't it that Dr. Phil could have had that more sophisticated-sounding British accent than the one he has which sounds like it came straight out of Country Cousins-ville, Texas?:(

BACK TO FAMILY TREE TALK: Of course, UNT System Chancellor Lee Jackson has a degree from SMU, too. His sisters (and I believe parents) all attended UNT, though. Rumor has it someone up in Denton is trying to find a red and blue tie with an "NT" Fry era apple green stripe running right down the middle of it. What a Fall fashion statement that would be, eh?

Yes (and admittedly) it is true inasmuch as we do have some strange thinking souls up in Denton some of whom just cannot seem to see the trees for the forest (athletically speaking). A look at our last 20 years of hirings would confirm that in 3 inch headlines. Anyway, @ "Contract Extension U", we have a hardy handful thinking we need to to just keep on giving contract extensions to an 8 year (going on 9 years) head football coach with a career 39 Wins & 50 "somethin'" Loss record a(nd based on SBC/Bottom 10 competition) as MG head football coach.

Also, most unique in Denton, we have a coach who gets his kicks (not on Route 66), but getting his cheap thrills by kicking around NT Exes (& even long time Mean Green fans) by calling them "fockers" and that in front of some of our best fans after the Spring Game and his also giving the verbal raspberry to the very ones (like, uh, his employer for instance?) who gives him a decent paycheck. He works all this PR magic of "getting back at Mean Green fans" on the radio airwaves every chance he gets. One helluva' way to sell football season tickets to new fans, eh? ANYHOOOOO..............Can you believe any of this being allowed to happen at a Texas university?

A very large part of the NT community (some might even call it "NT's Silent Majority" who never, ever post their real concerns and that group compared to those who are part of its vocal minority who apparently feel being loyal to on-going mediocrity is the right thing to do); anyway, most of our Silent Majority eagerly await the day, hour, minute and second the chairman of our NT Board of Regents goes back to his personal business so UNT can finally take care of its business and get our football program back on a much higher profile track than our present SBC/Bottom 10 co-existence.

So yes, in deedy, it is not just SMU that has concerns with its head football coach with our 2 school's (apparent) common theme of having head football coaches with under .500 W/L records with more than enough years on payroll for it to be above .500; except in Phil Bennett's case, he would probably have had more wins had he been a Sun Belt Conference head football coach.

In my video library, I do have a DVD copy of the 1990 SMU/UNT game at a sold-out/SRO** (before expansion) Fouts Field and with that most memorable (for those of us who were there that night) end of the first half bench-empyting brawl when the entire Forrest Gregg-led SMU football team ran the length of the field from their west side bench to the Mean Green east side (Student Section) bench for some funnier than hell to watch bru-ha-ha'in'. (bru-ha-ha'in?-------A new word coined right here on PF's.com). I think that part of the evening's festivities ended in a draw.

**Upwards to 2,000 UNT students were turned away from getting into that 1990 SMU/UNT game due to the Denton Fire Marshall regulations.

Yet in spite of everything, it should still be a decent crowd @ venerable ol' Fouts Field the 2'nd Saturday of this September. Many in MG Country (& TXDOT who have the Fouts Field west parking lot in their future plans) all eagerly await an implosion ceremony along with some strategic athletic personnel tweaking & all that hopefully happening much sooner than later.

Anyway and FWIW, Fouts Field is a much better place to watch a football game than it was back in 1990 because of the recent additions of a huge Daktronics in the south end zone and for the SMU football players who will enjoy playing on the (still new'ish) field turf compared to the Astro-Turf we had back in 1990.

BACK TO DICKEY BALL: Even funnier is how some of our elect in MG Country are saying Coach Dickey Ball can win one game this next Fall (can yall guess which one? ) while losing all the rest and with a "one" win season that group would actually be fine with giving our head coach an unprecedented 10'th year to add to his under .500 W/L record. Just think, we might then have bragging rights by having the all time NCAA record of allowing a head football coach to hang around the longest without even being close to a .500 W/L record. So to all you SMU Mustangs faithful, do count your many Methodist blessings because things could always (still) be worse on Mockingbird Lane, University Park, Dallas, Texas, America.

Now, lets talk about that Gerald Turner feller who single-handedly (along with our 55 year old football facility truth be known) kept UNT out of CUSA! LOL!