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[smupony94]

The latest NCAA rules on the average 15,000 attendance requirement for football is that if you cannot maintain that attendance level, not only does your football program lose it's Div. 1 status, your whole athletic program loses it's Div. 1 status.

Are you sure? There are 120 or so schools playing in I-AA that aren't losing Division I status in other sports and another 90 that don't play any football.

That is what I heard Orsini say. Did he miss speak?...don't know. As I heard it, it was refered to as a recent change in the NCAA rules. I will try to check that out and get back. Maybe I miss understood him, but whatever...I just hope it never comes to the point that we even have to think about it.

You must have forgotten we moved to I-AA so we might win more than 6 games

[ThadFilms]

It is the gated community. pending where you are coming from you can go 2222 to 620 and go towards Lakeway. Once you get to the city limits and look to your right - it might be a couple of miles in. It is a strange road for a subdivision with $3 million homes.

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The directions on the invitation say:

Near Lakeway - take FM 620 towards Lake Travis, then turn right onto Oak Grove Blvd. The gate code is GOSMU. Go through the gate and turn right on Costa Bella Drive. Turn left on Bella Vista and you will see the clubhouse.

Thanks bro, I appreciate it. It shall be my first trip to Lakeway, heck I might have been there before and just not known it.... but yeah. It will be fun, and I might just give you my notes before the final. You drive a hard bargain.

If you're looking for me homey, I'm in the ATX.
-Young Jeezy... okay so I switched ATX for ATL... sue me.

[mrydel]

Thad,

Are you participating in the new reality show, "On The Lot" ?

[jtstang]

Current attendance requirements from 2006-2007 rules and bylaws:

20.9.7.3 Football-Attendance Requirements. [I-A] Once every two years on a rolling basis, the
institution shall average at least 15,000 in actual or paid attendance for all home football games.
(Revised: 4/25/02 effective 8/1/04, 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05)
20.9.7.3.1 Counting Attendance
20.9.7.3.1.1 Actual Attendance. For purposes of computing actual attendance figures, an
individual may be counted if any one of the following conditions applies: (Revised:
4/25/02, effective 8/1/04, 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05)
(a) Attendees are issued tickets that are collected upon admission to the game and retained;
(Revised: 4/25/02, effective 8/1/04)
(b) Attendees enter through and are counted by a turnstile that is monitored by a representative
of the department of athletics who verifies in writing the accuracy of the count on a
per-game basis; or (Revised: 4/25/02, effective 8/1/04)
(c) Attendees enter through a gate at which a representative of the department of athletics
counts them individually with a manual counter, and the representative provides a written
statement verifying the accuracy of the count on a per-game basis. (Revised: 4/25/02,
effective 8/1/04)
20.9.7.3.1.2 Paid Attendance. For purposes of computing paid attendance figures, tickets
must be sold for at least one-third of the highest regular established ticket price as established
prior to the season, regardless of whether they are used for admission. Tickets sold
at less than one-third of the highest regular established price may be counted as paid
attendance only if they are used for admission. Student attendance may be counted as paid
attendance if the student pays at least one-third of the highest regular established ticket
price or, if the student actually attends the game and any one of the following conditions
applies: (Adopted: 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05)

(a) The student paid an athletics fee;
(b) The student paid an institutional fee of which a certain portion was allocated to the
department of intercollegiate athletics; or
(c) The student paid no athletics fee, but the institution allocated to the department of
intercollegiate athletics a certain portion of tuition income or general operating funds
as the equivalent of a student athletics fee.
20.9.7.3.1.2.1 Student Attendance. Student attendance must be verified through one
of the following methods: (Adopted: 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05)
(a) Such students are issued tickets that are collected upon admission to the game
and retained;
(b) Such students enter through and are counted by a turnstile (which is not utilized
by others in attendance) that is monitored by a representative of the department
of athletics who verifies in writing the accuracy of the count on a per-game basis;
or
(c) Such students enter through a gate (that is not utilized by others in attendance) at
which a representative of the department of athletics counts them individually
with a manual counter, and the representative provides a written statement verifying
the accuracy of the count on a per-game basis.
20.9.7.3.1.2.1.1 Noncounted Students. Student-athletes and cheerleaders scheduled
by the institution to be at the game and students performing services at the
stadium (e.g., concessionaires, ticket takers, parking-lot attendants, ushers,
groundskeepers) shall not be counted toward meeting the attendance requirements.
(Adopted: 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05)
20.9.7.3.1.2.2 Exchange of Tickets with Opponent. For an institution to meet the
Division I-A attendance requirements, tickets for a football contest obtained by an
institution through an exchange agreement or a purchase agreement with another
institution may be used only if sold for at least one third of the highest regular established
ticket price and are used to attend the game. (Adopted: 4/28/05 effective
8/1/05)
20.9.7.3.2 Certified Audit. In meeting the football-attendance requirements of Division I-A, an institution
must undertake an annual certified audit verifying its football attendance. The audited football-
attendance figures must be received in the NCAA national office not later than the February 15
following the completion of the football season and NCAA national office staff shall verify compliance
with all Division I-A attendance requirements. The certified audit and materials (including the ticket
manifest) must be available for inspection for a four-year period. (Revised: 10/17/05)

[jtstang]

Effects of non-compliance:

20.9.7.5 Noncompliance with Division I-A Criteria
20.9.7.5.1 Notice of Noncompliance. An institution that fails to satisfy any of the Division IA
membership requirements set forth in Bylaws 20.9.7.1 through 20.9.7.4 shall receive notice
of such noncompliance. After receiving notice, any further noncompliance with the Division IA requirements within a ten-year period shall cause the institution to be placed in restricted
membership per Bylaw 20.9.7.5.2. (Adopted: 8/5/04)
20.9.7.5.2 Restricted Membership. While in restricted membership, the institution shall not
be eligible for postseason football competition. At the conclusion of the one-year period, the
institution shall be granted membership in its preferred division, provided the institution complies
with the division’s criteria. If the member does not meet the criteria of any division at
the end of the restricted membership period, the institution may continue to be classified as a
Division I member in sports other than football, provided the institution satisfies the Division Imembership requirements set forth in Bylaws 20.9.1 through 20.9.6. A Division I member that
loses Division I-A status must comply with the multidivision classification requirements set
forth in Bylaw 20.4 to regain such status. (Adopted: 8/5/04)
20.9.7.6 Waivers. [I-A] There shall be no waivers to the Division I-A membership requirements
set forth in Bylaws 20.9.7.1 through 20.9.7.4. (Adopted: 4/24/03 effective 8/1/03

[ThadFilms]

Thad,

Are you participating in the new reality show, "On The Lot" ?

I wish. But sadly no.

[mrydel]

Good info Jtstang. I am glad to finally get to read the whole thing. Of course the "out" is by getting some big donor to purchase the "needed" amount of tickets at least 1/3 of the highest priced ticket available if it were to come to that. I think we are ok this year with TT and NTSU that will give us a leg up on the rest of the season. Winning of course would solve it permanently.

Since the tickets have to be purchased prior to the season, a donor or donors could do so at 1/3 the highest price and offer them back for sale though the ticket office and possibly make some bucks in doing so. It would at least cut their exposure.

I will go one step farther. I will buy 1000 tickets at 1/3 the highest price today for the TT game, if the ticket office will offer them back to the public (first out) at full price and pay me the difference. Surely 15 of us can do that and make $16,000 or so profit apiece. That will insure the gate and make me some money. If they will do it for TT, I will do it for every home game.

[jtstang]

Laundering money through the ticket office is a genius plan mrydel. Of course, all profits should be used for a slush fund for the new millenium.

[mrydel]

Laundering money through the ticket office is a genius plan mrydel. Of course, all profits should be used for a slush fund for the new millenium.

Or we could buy you your own seats!!

Actually, my thoughts on this are kind of serious. I do not see that it would be any kind of violation. I would not be scalping the tickets. I only want to sell them for fair market, face value. I only want them to sell them to me for 1/3 of the cost in order to guarantee the 15,000 requirement. If allowed, I would bet I could find 15 people to do it with me on a home game basis. The risk would be if we sold less than 15000 tickets throught the ticket office. If we got to a point that there was trouble with that, they could cut the price in half and I would still come out ahead. TT, UTEP and NTSU would be sure deals for a large profit leaving room for the risk with the others.

[RGV Pony]

Laundering money through the ticket office is a genius plan mrydel. Of course, all profits should be used for a slush fund for the new millenium.

Or we could buy you your own seats!!

Actually, my thoughts on this are kind of serious. I do not see that it would be any kind of violation. I would not be scalping the tickets. I only want to sell them for fair market, face value. I only want them to sell them to me for 1/3 of the cost in order to guarantee the 15,000 requirement. If allowed, I would bet I could find 15 people to do it with me on a home game basis. The risk would be if we sold less than 15000 tickets throught the ticket office. If we got to a point that there was trouble with that, they could cut the price in half and I would still come out ahead. TT, UTEP and NTSU would be sure deals for a large profit leaving room for the risk with the others.

The Tech game aside, wouldn't you run into the same problem the athletic department currently faces (i.e. finding people who actually want to purchase the tickets)?

[ThadFilms]

Laundering money through the ticket office is a genius plan mrydel. Of course, all profits should be used for a slush fund for the new millenium.

Or we could buy you your own seats!!

Actually, my thoughts on this are kind of serious. I do not see that it would be any kind of violation. I would not be scalping the tickets. I only want to sell them for fair market, face value. I only want them to sell them to me for 1/3 of the cost in order to guarantee the 15,000 requirement. If allowed, I would bet I could find 15 people to do it with me on a home game basis. The risk would be if we sold less than 15000 tickets throught the ticket office. If we got to a point that there was trouble with that, they could cut the price in half and I would still come out ahead. TT, UTEP and NTSU would be sure deals for a large profit leaving room for the risk with the others.

The Tech game aside, wouldn't you run into the same problem the athletic department currently faces (i.e. finding people who actually want to purchase the tickets)?

Why quibble with facts. The man's on a roll.

[mrydel]

Laundering money through the ticket office is a genius plan mrydel. Of course, all profits should be used for a slush fund for the new millenium.

Or we could buy you your own seats!!

Actually, my thoughts on this are kind of serious. I do not see that it would be any kind of violation. I would not be scalping the tickets. I only want to sell them for fair market, face value. I only want them to sell them to me for 1/3 of the cost in order to guarantee the 15,000 requirement. If allowed, I would bet I could find 15 people to do it with me on a home game basis. The risk would be if we sold less than 15000 tickets throught the ticket office. If we got to a point that there was trouble with that, they could cut the price in half and I would still come out ahead. TT, UTEP and NTSU would be sure deals for a large profit leaving room for the risk with the others.

The Tech game aside, wouldn't you run into the same problem the athletic department currently faces (i.e. finding people who actually want to purchase the tickets)?

I think I would be ok with TT, NTSU, and Utep as long as I am first out with 1,000 tickets. Surely we can sell 1,000 tickets for each of those games. By hitting the total on those 3, I win. For 6 games I spend a total of approximately $50,000.00. If I sell the 1,000 tickets at face value for those 3 games, I recover $50,000(breakeven). That means any ticket I sell out of my 1000 for the other 3 games nets me approximately $16.66. If I sell all 3,000 I net almost $50,000 profit.

[jtstang]

You guys better watch out your little ticket investment syndicate doesn't run afoul of the SEC. I still think we should buy recruits with the profits.

[mrydel]

You guys better watch out your little ticket investment syndicate doesn't run afoul of the SEC. I still think we should buy recruits with the profits.

I don't see why the Southeastern Conference has anything to do with this.

[jtstang]

You guys better watch out your little ticket investment syndicate doesn't run afoul of the SEC. I still think we should buy recruits with the profits.

I don't see why the Southeastern Conference has anything to do with this.

Simple. According to almost all on this board its members know how to run slush funds and avoid the death penalty, a trick SMU would do well to master before undertaking your brilliant laundering scheme. Did somebody in Fayetteville turn you on to this?