Big 12 Commissioner-Not Likely to Expand with Texas Schools

[ponydawg]

BIG 12's commish's comment doesn't matter if UT leaves the big 12. It's a completely different conference if that happens.

[NickSMU17]

My nephew swims at Utah and his AD told him that they should expect an announced move to the Pac 10 no later than the end of June....Colorado would be joing them...and they would be keeping their rivalry with BYU...

He has said his coach and all Utah athletics are currently using this as their recruiting tool...

You never know, but this is how its looking

[EastStang]

The BE gets a lot of money from the BCS, but basketball gives them a larger share of their profits. 6-8 teams per year go dancing. NY, NJ, Phil, DC, Miami, New England, KY, Ohio, plus ND, Chi. give them huge $$$ for TV. So, would Louisville, UConn, WV, Pitt, be better off leaving the BE, or staying in the BE and trying to add football only schools. I suspect they'll want to stay (unless an offer comes from the Big Ten or the Big XII). So, they would almost have to form a football only conference (unless Villanova graduates to FBS). Thus, any invitee would have to find their own all sports conference for their other sports. Again, so much of this depends on the trickle down. Will the SEC go stay at 12 or go to 14 or 16? Who would they add? I'm sure if the BE today issued FB only invites to TCU, ECU, UCF and UH, they'd take it in a heartbeat even if it meant being kicked out of CUSA.MWC for allsports. In fact, CUSA might let them stay for allsports and even invite TCU for allsports for lots of strategic reasons. That means CUSA would be down to 9 schools which is a perfect size for football. Would we want to add schools from the decimated MWC like UNM, AFA or UNLV or add La. Tech who got passed over last time to stay at 12. There are lots of options out there. One thing is for sure, this is getting interesting. The question is who leaps first.

[Samurai Stang]

tcu won't vote for us. Nick, why do you think Utah is already invited to the Pac?

TCU will have few other options, especially considering that SMU is not as horrible as it has been in the past.

Boise State easily replaces Utah, but there is no single school that makes up for the power of BYU. This would force the conference to go to 12 teams. There is simply a shortage of attractive teams, meaning that TCU would have little choice. If the Big 12 expands by adding teams such as CSU or Air Force, then SMU goes from being a candidate to a necessity.

[davidpaul123]

tcu won't vote for us. Nick, why do you think Utah is already invited to the Pac?

TCU will have few other options, especially considering that SMU is not as horrible as it has been in the past.

Boise State easily replaces Utah, but there is no single school that makes up for the power of BYU. This would force the conference to go to 12 teams. There is simply a shortage of attractive teams, meaning that TCU would have little choice. If the Big 12 expands by adding teams such as CSU or Air Force, then SMU goes from being a candidate to a necessity.

if pac-10 moves first it gives big-12 even less options as they are being squeezed from both sides.

If Colorado leaves and so too does Nebraska and Mizzou with the big-10 at 14 teams and wanting ND to get ultimately to 16, is the big-12 viable?

Thought: Big-12 and Pac-10 merge with the Big-12 forming an 8 team eastern conference including UT, A&M, OSU, OU, Kansas & Colorado (so long to the rest of you) and hello ASU, Arizona to round out the 8 team eastern division.

The rest fill out a 16 team league with Big-12 scraps, MWC and C-USA West.

[West Coast Johnny]

tcu won't vote for us. Nick, why do you think Utah is already invited to the Pac?

I'm one TCU alum that will support whole-heartedly SMU's application into the Mountain West. I think that you would be surprised at how much support SMU's membership would get in Fort Worth.

Utah is the Cherry that the Big 12 & Pac 10 will end up fighting for. IMO, Utah is the reason why conference realigment will happen sooner rather than later. In fact, I see the Big 12 making invitations after their meetings. The conferences are near panick mode. It is just a matter of time before commissioners get an itchy trigger finger.

[Hoop Fan]

johnny, you're right i would be surprised, but what do common alums opinions have to do with it? And what makes Utah the big catch? i dont see the big 12 wanting utah very badly.

[Stallion]

Fact to keep in mind: Under PRESENT NCAA formula for determining BCS Conference qualification, a team which enters a new conference can have qualification points added to the new conference for determining whether conference meets criteria for consideration as BCS conference. Therefore, TCU is more attractive than SMU under that factor. Its my understanding that TCU has earned substantial points for MWC under that formula although I couldn't quote the exact standards

[1983 Cotton Bowl]

The Big-12 commish talks tough. . .but talk is cheap. Bottom line is that if Missouri, Nebraska, and/or Colorado go, then the current Big-12 schools that have options (see Texas, Texas A&M, OU) will start to look for a better deal. At that point the feeding frenzy will be on.

[huskerpony]

The Big-12 commish talks tough. . .but talk is cheap. Bottom line is that if Missouri, Nebraska, and/or Colorado go, then the current Big-12 schools that have options (see Texas, Texas A&M, OU) will start to look for a better deal. At that point the feeding frenzy will be on.

Ding. Ding. Ding. Except that Texas is probably not going anywhere.

Was just listening to Dennis Dodd. He basically said that UT is going to let the Big 12 blow up. He said his conversations with DeLoss Dodds lead him to believe that he is going ahead with his Texas-only network. This makes any Big 12 network or Big 12-Pac 10 network a non-starter, and Texas doesn't really care.

That means anyone with options is leaving. Nebraska, Missouri, and Colorado for sure. The big question is what does Oklahoma do? They can't be any happier with Texas not participating in a network with them than anyone else. OU has been amazingly silent until their president's interview yesterday. Texas will be able to find enough schools who need the money to let them do what they want, but OU isn't one of them.

[westexSMU]

I still think with Nebraska gone, Texas will bolt and why would the Pac 10 cut out the Big 10 from the Rose Bowl in favor of the big 12 ? Makes no sense. Why not just take Texas, OU and maybe OSU and A&M. Who needs the rest of the big 12 without Nebraska & Missouri and Colorado in the north.

[Samurai Stang]

Was just listening to Dennis Dodd. He basically said that UT is going to let the Big 12 blow up. He said his conversations with DeLoss Dodds lead him to believe that he is going ahead with his Texas-only network. This makes any Big 12 network or Big 12-Pac 10 network a non-starter, and Texas doesn't really care.

That means anyone with options is leaving. Nebraska, Missouri, and Colorado for sure. The big question is what does Oklahoma do? They can't be any happier with Texas not participating in a network with them than anyone else. OU has been amazingly silent until their president's interview yesterday. Texas will be able to find enough schools who need the money to let them do what they want, but OU isn't one of them.

In this case should Texas not simply become an independent?

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

As a side note...with all the changes that may happen why wouldn't the Big 12 besides adding new markets in other states also not wannna "upgrade" within Texas?

Besides this past year's Baylor basketball team....why would the Big 12 prefer keeping Baylor
over TCU or even SMU? Wouldn't dropping Baylor and adding TCU make the Big 12 "a better conference"?...TCU is in a much larger TV market, and TCU is a much easier in/out travel destination. Ask fans in Ames, Iowa if they'd rather take a trip to Dallas/Fort Worth or Waco?
Why wouldn't the Big 12 as it is making changes like adding Utah also dump Baylor for a Dallas/Fort Worth team that is easy travel and also allow for Jerry World games easier?

[Mexmustang]

The honest truth is that any commissioner that loses two or three teams, can't control Texas and get them to work with the rest of the conference schools is a "dead man walking! He can make all the comments he wants, but he will and should be fired! Why would his comments count for anything?

[Stallion]

I think there is an opportunity for SMU being in DFW to actually be an asset to a conference of the Leftovers-for a lack of a better word. As Calallen simply puts it we ain't getting into a Big 12 as long as UT or A&M are in it. Why? Because they own the market. But the Leftovers may be a collection of small media markets spread across states with little TV saturation or marquee media sites. No one knows for sure but could a major conference survive in a conference composed of markets like Waco, Lubbock, Stillwater, Ames, Manhatten, etc. In such a situation the prospects of adding teams from media markets like DFW and Houston become an asset to such a conference. I think almost more important is the fact that DFW and Houston are 2 of the Top 5 recruiting goldmines in the country. Without Texas or A&M those small market schools would be almost invisible unless they make a play for the big media markets.