Oct. 21, 1989 -- 21 years after the despicable act

[tristatecoog]

Whatever. Yes, juveniles rack up a score for a whole 60 minutes and rejoice in the pounding like I did, at age 20. However, I still get excited by pounding an opponent for one half, or until the point where it's clear that we've won.

Last year, Houston blew out Rice, 73-14, but we scored a school record-tying 59 first-half points. Only 14 pts in the second half. A few years ago, OU beat us 63-14 and was up 49-7 at the half. Good for them. They had mercy on us in the second half but sure didn't need to. They also wanted to rest, and protect, their starters.

SMU wasn't ready to play football in year 3, especially against ND, UH, A&M, etc. It's like having Cistercian Prep play against Allen.

What would Patton do?

[tristatecoog]

BTW, I look forward to seeing SMU be in the position to have mercy on a weak team. Heck, it could happen tomorrow.

Or how about SMU hoops vs. SC-Upstate or UT-Tyler? Sorry about that analogy...

[SmooBoy]

Yes, much like the 100-0 hs basketball game from a couple years ago, the winning Dallas Covenant team didn't learn much except that when your opponent is inferior, rub their nose in it and embarass them at all costs. Learning sportsmanship, like the Dallas Academy coach is trying to do with his first-time players, is much more important in the scheme of things, like it or not.

[tristatecoog]

Yes, much like the 100-0 hs basketball game from a couple years ago, the winning Dallas Covenant team didn't learn much except that when your opponent is inferior, rub their nose in it and embarass them at all costs. Learning sportsmanship, like the Dallas Academy coach is trying to do with his first-time players, is much more important in the scheme of things, like it or not.

I agree that it shouldn't happen again. Jenkins was a d-b coach and got what was coming to him, much like Leach. Sumlin is a class act, and so was Briles, except for the way he left UH for BU.

[George S. Patton]

Last year, Houston blew out Rice, 73-14, but we scored a school record-tying 59 first-half points. Only 14 pts in the second half. A few years ago, OU beat us 63-14 and was up 49-7 at the half. Good for them. They had mercy on us in the second half but sure didn't need to. They also wanted to rest, and protect, their starters.

SMU wasn't ready to play football in year 3, especially against ND, UH, A&M, etc. It's like having Cistercian Prep play against Allen.

What would Patton do?

Ironically that school-record 59 points was originally set on Oct. 21, 1989 against SMU.

So Houston CHOSE to add 36 MORE points to the ledger.

So when you all played OU two years ago, did your starting lineup consist of 14 freshmen? Was your program coming off the death penalty?

I think everybody understood that SMU was going to be outmanned in most weeks. We weren't leaving the SWC so we recognized we were going to have to play the heavyweights and endure those games. They seemed to get it too.

Again, I had no problem with what A&M did. You guys were just total flatout scumbags. And nothing has changed in 21 years.
Since you have admitted that it should not happen again, it also validates that it SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

[SmooBoy]

Some quotes from the 100-0 game:

"My girls never quit," he (Dallas Academy Athletic Director Jeremy Civello) said. "They played as hard as they could to the very end. They played with all their hearts at 70-nothing, 80-nothing and 100-nothing. I was really proud of them. That's what I told them after the game."

The Bulldogs play, Civello said, for more than the final score. They play in hope of improving skills, learning teamwork and picking up whatever life lessons athletics may bring.

"It was poor judgment," Kyle Queal (headmaster of Dallas Covenant) said. "I look at the box score and look at the box score, and it was not justified. It will never happen again."

"I'll say this," Queal said of the Dallas Academy girls, "that was an amazing testimony to their tenacity and perseverance."

[peruna81]

Whatever. Yes, juveniles rack up a score for a whole 60 minutes and rejoice in the pounding like I did, at age 20. However, I still get excited by pounding an opponent for one half, or until the point where it's clear that we've won.

Last year, Houston blew out Rice, 73-14, but we scored a school record-tying 59 first-half points. Only 14 pts in the second half. A few years ago, OU beat us 63-14 and was up 49-7 at the half. Good for them. They had mercy on us in the second half but sure didn't need to. They also wanted to rest, and protect, their starters.

SMU wasn't ready to play football in year 3, especially against ND, UH, A&M, etc. It's like having Cistercian Prep play against Allen.

What would Patton do?

Juveniles perhaps, but adults in charge of juveniles/young men on a sideline, no.

Your comment re."until the point where it's clear that we've won" was reached in 1989 by halftime. Coaches on both sidelines older and younger than you and me were aware of that, and the barage continued unabated. You had 'mercy' on Rice last year, as OU did on you...you remember that fact, as many SMU fans remember what happened in 1989.
What would Patton do?

What Patton did was largely dependent on who he faced...SS units in particular did not fare well against him from 1944 onward. After Metz and Trier, and leading up to the encirclement at the Hunsbruck Mountains he was unrelenting. When he saw that the affair was settled (and after being denied by Ike the opportunity to attack towards Berlin) the Third Army moved to the Danube and into former Czech territory. The Third Army ceased active operations almost a week before specifically ordered to do so,yet while still taking thousands more of Wehrmacht and SS prisoners.

There is a line, accepted even in war.

[NTXCoog]

I really want suggestions from SMU fans what UH was supposed to do. Keep the following facts in mind. Also be able to answer all of the questions I ask before responding. Also please list any and all things you think UH did to keep the score down. If you can't answer all of that honestly, you're just looking at 95-21 and 1 long pass in the 4th quarter.

Chuck Weatherspoon: 15 carries for 207 yards and 2 TDs. 13.8 yards per carry. 1 TD every 7.5 carries.
Andre Ware: 25-41 for 517 yards and 6 TDs. 12.6 yards per pass. 1 TD every 7 passes.
David Klingler: 15-20 for 254 yards and 4 TDs. 12.7 yards per pass. 1 TD every 5 passes. (note Klingler threw half as many passes in the 2nd half as Ware threw in the 1st)

Questions to answer:
1) Who was the 3rd string QB?
2) Who was the 2nd string RB? What was his primary role that day?
3) Who was the 3rd string RB?
4) How many times did UH blitz?
5) How many players in a UH uniform did not play?
6) How many points did UH score in the 4th quarter?
7) How many SMU defenders were in the box on UH's last long TD?
What were the last 4 plays of the game and on what yard line did the game end?
9) How many WRs did UH have injured prior to or during the game?
10) How many walkons played?
11) What was the story about equipment manager in relation to the UH roster for that game?

If you can answer all or most of those questions correctly and honestly name the things that UH did do to keep the score down, then feel free to tell me what UH should have done further to keep the score down.

[tristatecoog]

I said we were wrong in our approach to the '89 game, and I believe that we have improved.

I don't fault OU at all. The generally accepted way to approach mercy in college football today seems to be to go all out for one half and call off the dogs in the second half. Reserve your trick plays for real opponents.

[lwjr]

If memory serves correct, running up the score on opponents was pretty much the MO for the Jenkins-Pardee coached Cougars. It was pretty low class on UH part.

[Pony in SA]

I really want suggestions from SMU fans what UH was supposed to do.

Real simple. Not call timeout near the end of the first half already up several touchdowns to throw the ball deep into the endzone. You were already ahead by wide margin and could have run simple sweep play, or just 7 yard out.

That is what made Coach Gregg so mad at end of half when he went after Houston coaches. Only time that first year back he lost it. Also referenced by Glanville when he gave our team game ball later on.

Also why Jenkins and Pardee were called out by national media, primarily for trying to pad Ware's stats. Don't know how old you are but big discussion on Heisman/Ware issue because of the piling on to make Ware's stats and was he legit. We all know what a great QB he turned out to be.

[George S. Patton]

I really want suggestions from SMU fans what UH was supposed to do.

Real simple. Not call timeout near the end of the first half already up several touchdowns to throw the ball deep into the endzone. You were already ahead by wide margin and could have run simple sweep play, or just 7 yard out.

That is what made Coach Gregg so mad at end of half when he went after Houston coaches. Only time that first year back he lost it. Also referenced by Glanville when he gave our team game ball later on.

Also why Jenkins and Pardee were called out by national media, primarily for trying to pad Ware's stats. Don't know how old you are but big discussion on Heisman/Ware issue because of the piling on to make Ware's stats and was he legit. We all know what a great QB he turned out to be.

Think the Lions want a do-over?

[NTXCoog]

If memory serves correct, running up the score on opponents was pretty much the MO for the Jenkins-Pardee coached Cougars. It was pretty low class on UH part.

Define running it up. Is 55-9 running it up? What is the boundary point? Patton said when a number starts with 8 or more. UH had 2 games under Pardee with 80+ points. All other games were under 70 points. So I guess Patton would say UH ran it up in 2 games under Pardee.

Do you think 66-15 vs UT was running it up and classless?

[lwjr]

this is getting silly, sometimes a team will hang a large number on its opponent. Last week, I am sure some of you saw the Abliene/Midland Lee HS football game on ESPN. Abliene scored 77 points, they could have easily scored 100. Once the game was out of hand, the Abliene coaches emptied the bench and ran simple dive plays and sweeps around the corner and still scored. Lee HS just could not stop them. But Abliene was not trying to run it up, the Lee Coaches knew this and said so. When you are up by 50 points and calling time outs so you can throw passes into the endzone, that is rubbing it in.

[Pony in SA]

Exactly. Calling timeouts to pad Ware's stats is what caused other non-SMU people to say they were wrong.

General -- I bet the Lions would love a do-over.