Seeking people's honest answer on this question

[Mestengo]

Well, I only met you once and you had Alex doing your talking for you. You called me Stallion, and I said Stallion wishes he was me LOL. So based on that I came away thinking you were short and unimaginative. Perhaps if we meet once more I could upgrade you to wasting my time?

[George S. Patton]

Perfect. As long as we have zero expectations.

[Mestengo]

[rich59]

I am not and never have been a fan of the R and S. I believe that good football teams play physical hard nosed defense, run the ball, execute in the kicking game and play field position football. To me, fundamentals, blocking and tackling win football games, not fool em stuff. I believe that it is easier to run the football when the QB is a threat to run in designed plays.

Having said all that, the trend in college football seems to be toward more passing and spreading the defense. I love watching option teams like Navy execute their offense and one can make a real argument that the option can win more games with less talent than with most other offenses. But it was fun watching Texas Tech under Leach throw the ball and one cannot argue with his results. I don't believe that there is a lot of difference between what JJ does and Leach did.

Bottom line to me is that SMU just does not now have the overall talent to be a consistent winner. Many of us got fooled by 2009 and the bowl win may have given us unrealistic expectations. It seems as if the new staff at SMU is doing a good job recruiting and we should be a stronger team next year. My goal is to have SMU where TCU is today. Like him or not Patterson has done a masterful job at TCU and SMU ought to be able, over time, to do as well. In the final analysis, I believe that JJ can make our program a lot better than it has been since the DP. Whether he can get us where TCU is is questionable because his philosophy is different than Patterson's.

To me, this next two weeks is a critical time for SMU and JJ. It is all important that the staff get the team to come out against Marshall and play with the intensity, focus and effort that SMU showed in some of the earlier games. They also must eliminate the mistakes and IMO, get back to tackling well instead of seemingly focusing on creating turnovers. If they do that and perhaps get back a few players who have been crippled, we have a good chance to beat Marshall and I will be pleased. Maybe the most critical injury is the kicker. Without a reliable place kicker and punter it really changes the game.

[couch 'em]

Bottom line to me is that SMU just does not now have the overall talent to be a consistent winner. Many of us got fooled by 2009 and the bowl win may have given us unrealistic expectations. It seems as if the new staff at SMU is doing a good job recruiting and we should be a stronger team next year.

I'm not going to argue that Rusty Burns is a better O coordinator than June Jones, but we are scoring less points against equivalent or worse defenses than several of the years under Bennett.

Do we have less talent now than we did under Bennett?

[TheBestAvailable]

Dude, seriously? Isn't the point of an offense to put points on the board? And does this offense not do that?

Not currently.

I think I give JJ a fair amount of credit/blame. He should get credit for reviving this program and for ratcheting up recruiting. He should get blame for not having the team motivated to play against UTEP.

Guys we have two corners on the field who would struggle on the NAIA level.

Give him time to get some more talent in here. Also Zach Line has been great this year but he doesn't have breakaway speed like Shawnbrey. Shawnbrey could take it to the end zone from any spot on the field.

The academic casualties were brutal and we lost a lot of talent. Terrence made some big plays last year and mcconico/gamble would have been much better corners than what we have.

[Topper]

[quote="George S. Patton"]Do you believe June Jones is held accountable enough for what does and does not happen in a game?

Or do you believe that he basically gets a lot of hands off treatment because when things are going poorly, the blame is usually shifted in another direction?

Like you, I am not a fan of the offense. Unlike you, I like June very much personally and am delighted that he is here. Having said that, I predicted a 6 and 6 season back in August. This team is not deep, even by CUSA standards. Padron is talented, and tough, but not exactly what June is looking for in a QB. I'm not ready to hold anybody accountable for this very young team. Your question would be more fair in a couple of years when we see this year's freshman and redshirts filling the starting lineups, and substiting poor performing players is a real possibility. I have seen more wins in the past couple of years than in the previous 6 or 7 combined. Not going to complain at this point.

[Topper]

[quote="ponyboy"]

Everybody knows where I stand on him. As a refresher, I don't like his offense. I don't like him personally.

Dude, seriously? Isn't the point of an offense to put points on the board? And does this offense not do that?

And I cannot believe anyone could not like the guy... To me, he's the most likable head coach imaginable.[/quote]

The run and shoot is a lot of fun to watch and yes, it puts points on the board. But it doesn't keep the D off the field. Too many 3 and outs. A defense that is shallow on talent (like ours) is stretched to the limit bythe second half. See SMU v. Navy 2009 and 2010. But I have high hopes that our recruiting has improved and will improve and we will shore up the D.

[Mestengo]

Midland, I've talked to him twice -- at one of the signing day events and also at one of the spring football BBQs. I came away feeling like I just wasted my time.

I'm sure he lost sleep over the exchange, too. Somehow I feel certain you'll both recover.

If you could take General Patton's personality and put it in June what a wonderful World it would be...

OK, now I know you're kidding. I'm sure Georgie is nice enough, but June Jones is as nice and classy and entertaining a guy as you'll ever meet if you sit and talk to him.

Never talked to the man ( smirk )

[SMU1523]

Do you believe June Jones is held accountable enough for what does and does not happen in a game?

Or do you believe that he basically gets a lot of hands off treatment because when things are going poorly, the blame is usually shifted in another direction?

Everybody knows where I stand on him. As a refresher, I don't like his offense. I don't like him personally. But if he can't get the program to greater heights, then terrific because that's all that matters and it really doesn't matter what I think. It's what the kids in the program think.

So if you think there's a bias in this thread, that's up to you. And if you want to come after me for this, I can't stop you.

But I'd like people to step back and really think about this and see if he is a teflon coach or not.

Food for thought.

P.S.
In spite of my feelings toward him, I stepped up and forked over a pretty decent amount of coin to SMU to retain my season tickets because it was the school that came first. And it will always be that way regardless of who is the football program's steward.

Unless your one of the 20 Alumni paying $100,000 per/yer for his salary, then I would just be happy we have a coach like June here... Look, we are not Texas or Alabama, hell the SMU coaching job isn't even considered to be as big of a job as Baylor (because of the Big 12)... I don't know who you think is going to come coach here? If June can't turn it around, we might as well be considered a lost cause... I say give the man at least 5 years. He has said all along that this is a five year plan. I'm sick and tired of all these people on this forum acting like June is a terrible coach, because he is the best thing that has happened here in two decades. The people that repeatedly keep chirping this ignorant nonsense are unrealistic and quite frankly stupid... You guys sound worse than A&M fans...

[RGV Pony]

Do you believe June Jones is held accountable enough for what does and does not happen in a game?

Or do you believe that he basically gets a lot of hands off treatment because when things are going poorly, the blame is usually shifted in another direction?

Everybody knows where I stand on him. As a refresher, I don't like his offense. I don't like him personally. But if he can't get the program to greater heights, then terrific because that's all that matters and it really doesn't matter what I think. It's what the kids in the program think.

So if you think there's a bias in this thread, that's up to you. And if you want to come after me for this, I can't stop you.

But I'd like people to step back and really think about this and see if he is a teflon coach or not.

Food for thought.

P.S.
In spite of my feelings toward him, I stepped up and forked over a pretty decent amount of coin to SMU to retain my season tickets because it was the school that came first. And it will always be that way regardless of who is the football program's steward.

Unless your one of the 20 Alumni paying $100,000 per/yer for his salary, then I would just be happy we have a coach like June here... Look, we are not Texas or Alabama, hell the SMU coaching job isn't even considered to be as big of a job as Baylor (because of the Big 12)... I don't know who you think is going to come coach here? If June can't turn it around, we might as well be considered a lost cause... I say give the man at least 5 years. He has said all along that this is a five year plan. I'm sick and tired of all these people on this forum acting like June is a terrible coach, because he is the best thing that has happened here in two decades. The people that repeatedly keep chirping this ignorant nonsense are unrealistic and quite frankly stupid... You guys sound worse than A&M fans...

agree with part of what you're saying, as I've said (and the majority of people I know have said) JJ is our last and only shot. As for the second part, who are "..all these people" that you and one or two other posters keep talking about? Aside from one thread and the author of same, I havent seen anyone else (I could be wrong) who has said June is a terrible coach.

[couch 'em]

There are maybe 3 people on here badmouthing Jones as a coach, they just happen to be some of the loudest and most annoying posters.

[Nacho]

ag fans are great. they really are.
nice win over ou.
i was there and loved being part of the 81k cheering them on.
doubly great that ut lost.

[George S. Patton]

There are maybe 3 people on here badmouthing Jones as a coach, they just happen to be some of the loudest and most annoying posters.

I'll presume that that was directed toward me.

Sir, I DID NOT say that Jones was a bad coach. I said I don't like his offense. I think chucking it 40 yards down the field on 3rd and 1 -- a low percentage play -- is crazy.

I also disagree that you need the defense to create turnovers to set up the offense "consistently". That's far-fetched. You can't assume that you're going to get 2 turnovers per game. You have to drive the ball. This offense doesn't do that and without the defense creating any opportunistic turnovers -- one of the TOs vs. Tulane was a INT in the end zone -- in the last 5 games, you can see where the production is suffering.

I also said that when things go poorly -- and it will -- it seems like the trend that most people like to shift the blame to other factors and absolve him of any sins. I think that's ridiculous.

To me, it just doesn't seem like he takes ownership when something goes poorly. "Well, I'm sure that if Kyle saw the film..." OK, June. That's fine. So since you're going to go on the record and say that, what exactly are you going to do to help him understand the film? What are you and Danny Morrison going to do to help him be a better quarterback?''

However, what I do respect about him is that he has a philosophy that he sticks with and has for decades. He knows exactly what he wants to do with it. That's great. I've said before that being consistent with a plan and getting the people to operate is half the battle.

If Jones makes SMU a power because of this style of football, I'm fine with it. Any type of football can be successful. I would just prefer my football to be played a different way.

[Nacho]

we could try the minnesota way?
how's that working out for you general?