How long until Auburn is forced to vacate title?

[mrydel]

Here is my take. It appears to be an accepted fact that Cam's dad was shopping him...so how does Cam wind up at Auburn with no cash exchanging hands? I mean really? Suddenly the need for money in exchange for commitment no longer existed? Really? Give me a break.

PK, I agree that it is very fishy, but if the investigation is closed, it is closed and all of our speculation does not matter. I had forgotten the FBI stuff that Hilltop mentioned above, and that may evevtually grow into something.

Again, I am in no way proclaiming innocence. I am just saying that if the NCAA does not investigate I do not expect any punishment until perhaps the Rapture.

[One Trick Pony]

Free Lemonade @ 33 it has long lasting effects.

[Stallion]

The highlited part at the top is the part I think deserves further investigation:

http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=cam+ne ... f6,c918453

[mrydel]

Thanks, Stallion. I had never seen that. But again, if this was already out there and the NCAA has completed their investigation, I see it going nowhere. If it has come up after the fact then yes it should be followed up. I just have zero faith in the NCAA wanting to go any farther with this.

[Junior]

My take on it is that the NCAA is through with one part of the investigation based upon facts known at that point. I find it hard to believe it took them several years to get through the Reggie Bush case, yet they can get through the Cam Newton case in two weeks. If a federal case is made of the bank, that will open a whole new can of worms. But my guess is that will take at least another year since the gov't is in charge.

[Dwan]

Cecil Newton asked for 180k for his son to play at MSU. This much has been proven. So we are supposed to believe he went to Auburn for nothing? The thing is, things are easily hidden in the SEC due to a good old boy network and the fact that all of their schools are located in tiny towns with no real media to investigate. It is no surprise that the two programs hit the hardest by the NCAA, SMU and USC, are in major cities. The only time an SEC program is going to be hit hard is when one of the rivals of that school come after them as was the case of Bama getting hit hard a few years ago.

[PK]

Cecil Newton asked for 180k for his son to play at MSU. This much has been proven. So we are supposed to believe he went to Auburn for nothing?

He probably went to Auburn because he thought their black uniforms were cool...oh wait...they don't wear black uniforms. OK it was probably the money.

[sail420s]

Auburn has not been accused of anything. Even by outsiders. Actually they have been declared not to have committed a wrong.

The FBI tapes are believed to implicate several players, not just Newton. The pay for play talk has been rumored to have gone on for several years at Auburn. It is believed to be the big issue that led to Tuberville butting heads with the booster (he wouldn't go along with it) and eventually leaving. The primary booster being investigated by the FBI for misusing TARP funds has long had a heavy influence on Auburn as a whole, not just athletics. He has had so much power that 10 years ago, the SACS threatened to pull Auburn's accreditation because of his influence. He reportedly wanted Auburn to do away with its Ph.D. in Economics...so they did. The SACS is paying close attention to this new info.

I doubt it would ever happen, but Auburn as a university, not just football, could actually get the death penalty because of this. I would pretty pissed if I was about to get my degree from a university that lost it's accreditation.

[HB Pony Dad]

It is no surprise that the two programs hit the hardest by the NCAA, SMU and USC, are in major cities.

Notice that both of the above are small PRIVATE Universities with Methodist ties and influential alumni!

Makes you ponder the NCAA's agenda.

[smupony94]

It is no surprise that the two programs hit the hardest by the NCAA, SMU and USC, are in major cities.

Notice that both of the above are small PRIVATE Universities with Methodist ties and influential alumni!

Makes you ponder the NCAA's agenda.

They don't like schools with southern in their name

[b_caesar]

It is no surprise that the two programs hit the hardest by the NCAA, SMU and USC, are in major cities.

Notice that both of the above are small PRIVATE Universities with Methodist ties and influential alumni!

Makes you ponder the NCAA's agenda.

Don't forget there are competing media outlets trying to scoop each other - think Dallas is cut-throat media-wise? Try LA...

[HB Pony Dad]

It is no surprise that the two programs hit the hardest by the NCAA, SMU and USC, are in major cities.

Notice that both of the above are small PRIVATE Universities with Methodist ties and influential alumni!

Makes you ponder the NCAA's agenda.

Don't forget there are competing media outlets trying to scoop each other - think Dallas is cut-throat media-wise? Try LA...

I used the competition between the OC Register and LA Times to get me paid for the Ritz-Carlton Hotel construction just prior to the 1982 LA Olympics.

Competing newspapers were even more effective pre personal computers.

[ponyscott]

Sorry, but I asked for facts, not speculation. I do not know about what Stallion is referring. I missed that speech. And I am not pleading for Newton's innocence. What I am saying is that unless someone has more to offer I do not see this going any farther. It appears to be done.

Now something like Stallion mentions could be a reason to reopen the investigation, but without something new it just seems to be a done deal.

From what I have heard, it sounds like the NCAA has dealt with the Cam Newton situation as it pertains to the USM allegations. There is speculation that the real dirt is tied up in a federal investigation revolving around misused TARP funds and the now defunct Colonial Bank which was founded and run by an Auburn alumn. Supposedly, the FBI has audio tapes with high powered Auburn alumni discussing pay for play schemes including Cam Newton. Apparently the Feds will not turn over the evidence to the NCAA until their case is completed. I am not saying that any of this is true, but I am assuming this is why a lot of people are speculating that it might take several years for the entire story to shake out.

I also heard from sources about the Colonial Bank link that will show the records of transfer of funds etc.....hey where there's smoke there's fire. They will be exposed sooner than later.

[mrydel]

FBI files and phone conversations may all lead to something, but I bet daddy showing up at the game after being "advised" not to and then making it public, is the type of thing that will [deleted] the NCAA off enough to reopen their investigation.

[ponyscott]

From the New York Times yesterday:

"When asked if there was any concern within the Auburn program that the title would be vacated because of the investigation, the Tigers’ defensive coordinator, Ted Roof, did not comment.

The silence of the usually talkative Roof underscores the awkwardness of this Auburn victory. Athletic Director Jay Jacobs avoided reporters most of the past week here. One of the few times he did talk was to The Associated Press before the game, saying that Cecil Newton Sr., Cam’s father, would not attend. (The N.C.A.A. ruled that Cecil Newton should have his access to the Auburn program limited because he was trying to sell his son, and he skipped the Heisman Trophy ceremony.)"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/12/sport ... odayspaper