Ohio State

[Mitch McConnell]

I think Jerry Tarkanian cheated his ever-loving [deleted] off. I think that many complain about the NCAA lack an understanding of basic due process to properly analyze the job they are doing.

Can you illustrate where and how Tarkanian cheated? You're entitled to your opinion, of course. But the bottom line is that when the NCAA came after him, they made it personal. In fact, I think it came out during the course of those events.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but about 4-5 years ago, Tarkanian was in Arkansas making some remarks and proceeded to blast the NCAA. If the NCAA was smart, it would have issued a no comment. But when the news gathering service went to them to get a response, some dimwit spokesman shot off his mouth and shot back at Tarkanian. That illustrates how much they hate him because they know they got their [deleted] handed to them.

I would submit to you that the NCAA's interpretation of due process leaves a lot to be desired.

The NCAA doesn't shown any impartiality toward anything. For you to eat the bull they're feeding you might show how pollyanna you are about this morally bankrupt organization. They aint the organization you think they are.

[EastStang]

Well, the NCAA basically gave Fresno State a proctological examination for the Tarkanian years and hit them with sanctions for a slew of minor violations (too many contacts that sort of thing). Fresno's hiring of Tark the Shark was like flipping a big birdie at the NCAA brass and they got investigated pretty thoroughly because of it. I don't see a death penalty in Ohio State's future, but then again, the basketball shoe hasn't dropped yet either. Does anyone believe that the fully loaded Buckeye hoops team missed the Buckeye car dealership? So, football and hoops might both get a beating. I could see Ohio State getting a Baylor like penalty in hoops if something comes out and a wrist slap in football.

[Junior]

Can't wait to see Buckeye Excess.

Very good. I was thinking perhaps "The Ohio State Blackeyes", or "I Thought I Saw a Pretty Tat". Maybe "Pryor to the Fall". Or finally "OSUR Guilty".

I like 'em!

[Statler]

I still think the way to clean up college football is to get the IRS involved. It's either income or a gift.

[peruna81]

I still think the way to clean up college football is to get the IRS involved. It's either income or a gift.

hmmm...worked in the federal case against Al Capone.

[mrydel]

Former Arkansas player on a local talk show is defending Pryor and saying everything that Pryor might have done wrong was because Tressel allowed it to happen and that everything is the fault of Tressel. No responsibility for the kids to tell the truth when asked because the coach lied. Driving the 280z with dealer plates was ok because he was used to being given cars so he figured it was ok.

I have a lot of problem with that and hope I have the opportunity someday to ask him if he felt the same about Eric Dickerson, et al. He played for Arkansas 1982-1984, so he had a taste of some of the kids we bought and I am certain he got a little something in his pocket also.

By the way, most of the callers are ripping into him for his opinion.

[Topper]

I still find it interesting that there are one or two SMU fans who lived through the Pony Excess years who don't understand that the problem many of us have is that SMU was under the microscope year in and year out while the "traditional" national powers weren't even investigated whiile huge billows of smoke were issued from their campuses. Death penatly for SMU? Fine. Good and dandy. But anyone who knew other student/athletes at other schools at that time knew that SMU was doing nothing more, and in many cases less, than some of the big boys. If some of you want to wear a hair shirt about this thing fine. Its in the past, but as some posters have pointed out, the double standard is alive and well. Notable persons will argue with this, but it is true and the NCAA should be ashamed.

[Mitch McConnell]

This is an excerpt that I found about Tarkanian vs. the NCAA:

"... In September 1977, a Nevada judge issued an injunction which reinstated Tarkanian as coach. The case eventually made it all the way to the Supreme Court of the United States, which ruled in 1988 that the NCAA had the right to discipline its member schools, but required that due process be followed—effectively upholding the original 1977 injunction.

In the decade between the original suspension and the Supreme Court ruling, it was revealed that the NCAA's enforcement process was stacked heavily in the NCAA's favor—so heavily, in fact, that it created a perception that there was no due process. The enforcement staff was allowed to build cases on hearsay, and shared few of their findings with the targeted school. The resulting negative publicity led the NCAA to institute a clearer separation between the enforcement staff and the infractions committee, as well as a system for appeals. Also, hearsay evidence was no longer admissible in infractions cases.

After being fired from the Spurs, Tarkanian sued the NCAA, claiming it had harassed him for over two decades. The harassment, Tarkanian claimed, started when he wrote a newspaper column alleging that the NCAA was more willing to punish less-prominent schools than big-name schools. Although the NCAA did not admit harassing Tarkanian, it settled out of court in 1998, paying him $2.5 million.''

Want to talk about due process? Well, look above and how the court ruling basically told those ba$tards that their tactics were out of line and needed an overhaul. Does anyone believe those guys have done a complete about face?

Let's also remember the timeframe. Tarkanian settles with the NCAA in 1998 -- halfway through his time at Fresno St. The NCAA doesn't admit to going after him (of course, if it did, then it would show that this organization would show some actual remorse). And then the investigation at Fresno St. pops up. Hmm. Isn't that interesting. Don't tell me that this was just some sort of coincidence. They were looking for total retaliation on this.

College athletics would be better off if the NCAA was dissolved and a new governing body was created.

I have little faith that the NCAA will ever do the right thing about ANYTHING!

[stc9]

The timeline of Treacle:

http://genuinelysarcastic.blogspot.com/ ... g-lie.html

The source is a Michigan blog. I imagine they are laughing their butts off.

[redpony]

OSU's biggest mistakes- not having Mack Brown for coach, DeLoss a-hole for an AD and not having a schill on the NCAA committees for CYA action.

And yes! to the schill on this board who claims to be red and blue but bleeds orange- the whorens do cheat and will never be punished.

GO PONIES!!!

[Mexmustang]

Just like our local car dealer said when the NCAA was building its dp case--"

"Well, here are the 30 or so SMU files, but don't you want to review the 40 from A&M and 45 from Texas" I have also?

"What do you mean you don't want to see those also?"

[BIGHORSE]

Just like our local car dealer said when the NCAA was building its dp case--"

"Well, here are the 30 or so SMU files, but don't you want to review the 40 from A&M and 45 from Texas" I have also?

"What do you mean you don't want to see those also?"

Didn't they stop cheating when we got the death penalty?

[ALEX LIFESON]

Just like our local car dealer said when the NCAA was building its dp case--"

"Well, here are the 30 or so SMU files, but don't you want to review the 40 from A&M and 45 from Texas" I have also?

"What do you mean you don't want to see those also?"

I remember that, and other similar stories as well.

[Mexmustang]

No, they just changed dealers...

[SMU89]

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 40281.html