SMU's Orsini wishes TCU well; says SMU's BCS options "are al

by **mrydel** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:10 pm

What was it? Portugal?

by **Dutch** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:12 pm

wasn't it in utah? i think that's where they hammered the golden spike in the Will Smith classic Wild Wild West.

by **MustangStealth** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:19 pm

Topper wrote:Its ok. I couldnt answer those "smarter than a fifth grader" questions on tv the other night. Although I was smarter than one little kid thought that the state where the Union Pacific completed its transcontinental railroad was Spain.

No, that was the intercontinental railroad.

by **RGV Pony** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:23 pm

Dutch wrote:wasn't it in utah? i think that's where they hammered the golden spike in the Will Smith classic Wild Wild West.

They screwed up a perfectly good kool moe dee classic w that movie

by **redpony** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:43 pm

RGV Pony wrote:They screwed up a perfectly good kool moe dee classic w that movie

Just like Turner and SO screwed up our chances of moving up to a credible conference.

GO PONIES!!!

by **smupony94** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:46 pm

redpony wrote:
RGV Pony wrote:They screwed up a perfectly good kool moe dee classic w that movie

Just like Turner and SO screwed up our chances of moving up to a credible conference.

GO PONIES!!!

Please explain

by **Samurai Stang** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:47 pm

redpony wrote:
RGV Pony wrote:They screwed up a perfectly good kool moe dee classic w that movie

Just like Turner and SO screwed up our chances of moving up to a credible conference.

GO PONIES!!!

Turner and Copeland. Orsini has made incredible improvements in his tenure, and it would be difficult for him to have accomplished more.

by **PerunaPunch** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:05 pm

No, that was Ken Pye. Turner has been a pretty good supporter through the years. I just don't think anyone realized the massive effort it would prove to take in order to right this ship.

by **redpony** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:11 pm

SS- with all due respect I disagree. Letâ€™s look at SOâ€™s record. First, he was not responsible for getting JJ to SMU. The best thing he did in that situation was to keep his mouth shut and not screw-up the deal. Now letâ€™s look at his other hires. He brought in a menâ€™s soccer coach that was neither qualified nor experienced to replace a coach that was virtually a legend in college soccer. SH always seemed to manage to have top 5-10 nationally ranked teams and was a virtual lock to be invited to the â€˜big tournamentâ€™.
Not so with his replacement. The situation is similar with the womenâ€™s soccer team.
I would invite you to compare the results of JCâ€™s last three years to the current coaches
results. Then there is the bball fiasco. SO gave our current coach a 5-7 year contract with no performance standards by which he must achieve or he could be released. Now I ask you. If you were a business person would you give an employee that had no real record of substantial achievement a non-cancellable contract of employment without some level of performance standards by which he would be judged and could be terminated for failure of achievement?
I agree that our problems started well before SO but sadly things havenâ€™t changed all that much. BTW- SO has promised â€˜top 25â€™ in all that we do. How is that working out?

GO PONIES!!!

by **Samurai Stang** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:13 pm

PerunaPunch wrote:No, that was Ken Pye. Turner has been a pretty good supporter through the years. I just don't think anyone realized the massive effort it would prove to take in order to right this ship.

Pye was horrible because he actively worked against athletics. Copeland was horrible because he was incompetent. Pye should not be used to explain away Copeland's incompetence. Copeland's stated goal was for SMU to journey to a bowl game once every five or six years. That is a loser's goal, and he could not even achieve it.

The ultimate proof lies in how quickly Orsini transformed SMU football. In his entire tenure, Copeland approached nothing like what Orsini has already done.

I am glad Copeland is dead.

by **smupony94** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:14 pm

That is a [deleted] thought.

by **ericdickerson4life** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:16 pm

Samurai Stang wrote:I am glad Copeland is dead.

A little rough don't you think?

by **Samurai Stang** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:25 pm

redpony wrote:SS- with all due respect I disagree. Letâ€™s look at SOâ€™s record. First, he was not responsible for getting JJ to SMU. The best thing he did in that situation was to keep his mouth shut and not screw-up the deal.

Your first point is entirely false. One of an athletic director's main responsibilities is in hiring personnel.

Now letâ€™s look at his other hires. He brought in a menâ€™s soccer coach that was neither qualified nor experienced to replace a coach that was virtually a legend in college soccer. SH always seemed to manage to have top 5-10 nationally ranked teams and was a virtual lock to be invited to the â€˜big tournamentâ€™.
Not so with his replacement. The situation is similar with the womenâ€™s soccer team.
I would invite you to compare the results of JCâ€™s last three years to the current coaches
results.

I do enjoy how you shift responsibility to Orsini when you seek to assign failure, but fail to apply an equal standard to instances of success.

Additionally, soccer is irrelevant.

Then there is the bball fiasco. SO gave our current coach a 5-7 year contract with no performance standards by which he must achieve or he could be released. Now I ask you. If you were a business person would you give an employee that had no real record of substantial achievement a non-cancellable contract of employment without some level of performance standards by which he would be judged and could be terminated for failure of achievement?

Again, you only assign Orsini credit when it suits your argument. There is no consistency to your position. For you, Orsini is like a sin-eater, taking on the failures of the entire village; all failures are his, and he is never to be given credit for his achievements.

I agree that our problems started well before SO but sadly things havenâ€™t changed all that much. BTW- SO has promised â€˜top 25â€™ in all that we do. How is that working out?

Very well. SMU received votes for the Top 25 in his chosen football hire's fourth season. Were you not aware? Particularly impressive given the horrible state it was in when he was hired.

I would like to point out that you entirely neglect the changes he has made to admission policies for athletes, as well as academic standards. These are the responsibilities of an athletic director, and he saw to them. Under the same president, Copeland failed to do these things.

by **redpony** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:25 pm

Gee, I thought that JJ was the one who has transformed SMU fball. :shock:

GO PONIES!!!

by **Samurai Stang** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:30 pm

ericdickerson4life wrote:
Samurai Stang wrote:I am glad Copeland is dead.

A little rough don't you think?

Death was the only way that SMU could rid itself him. Turner's incompetence saw to that. Had Turner grasped the magnitude of Copeland's failures and simply fired him, his death would not have been necessary for SMU to achieve athletic success.