A Plurality of P5 Coaches Want to Lock-Out Non-P5 Schools

[PonyKris89]

If a P5 coach gets fired he better hope he gets rehired P5

Yep!! Clearly these P5 yes votes have not thought this thing through.

and all this could ultimately play in to Mark Cuban's theory that football will be a dying sport in the not too distant future.
How many kids are gonna want to bust their butt's playing HS football when they know their chance of playing legitimate college football is minuscule?

I know I will not be watching college football if all this comes to pass.

Ultimately, maybe the NFL better have something to say here.

[ReedFrawg]

I think they bullshitting-but then June and all the rest of you "the schedules too haaaarrrddd" crowd will get your way. It would financially devastate the program but at least we wouldn't have to worry about getting blownout by the only teams our fans care about

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... -schedules

1. I do not like the direction the big schools are moving. I love college football but fear what this means long-term.

2. Briles is a hypocrite.

3. College football will not die because of the allure of the NFL. And there are tons of kids now who sign up or pay to play at Div 1AA, Div 2, Div 3 and so on.

[DFW2012]

I think it's less about trying to "lock" the G5 out and more about the P5 teams trying to increase the odds of making the 4-team Playoff. I think the idea is if you win a big non-conference game you can be forgiven for losing one close conference game and still make the Playoff. As an example, say the SEC, B1G and PAC all have undefeated champions. There's one spot left:

Florida State goes 11-1 (7-1 ACC), loses a close game in October at Clemson, and wins OOC games vs. Florida, Oklahoma, Florida International and South Carolina State (FCS).

Baylor goes 11-1 (8-1 Big 12), loses a close game at TCU, and wins all its OOC games vs. SMU, UNT and SFA (FCS).

Ole Miss goes 11-1 (7-1 SEC), loses a close game to SEC West and Conference Champ LSU, and wins OOC games vs. Kansas, Houston, Marshall and Tennessee Tech (FCS).

Florida State probably gets the 4th spot in this scenario because they played 10 Power 5 teams, won 9 of those, lost 1 to a conference team, and won 2 games over OOC P-5 schools. The others didn't win any impressive or schedule any decent OOC games.

[JasonB]

None of that will matter because it will be a 4 conference league with 64 teams. Non-conference is basically pre-season. Winners of each division will play in the championship game of their conference, which is the first round of an 8 team playoff.

The other conferences are going to either force the big 12 to add more teams and have a conference game as well, or split the big 12 up between the other conferences. If this is really all about money, then what makes more sense? Increasing the pool of teams you have to split it with or dividing up the big 12? Probably killing the big 12 and splitting up the teams.

Once there are 4 conferences, there is no reason to play non-conference games against smaller schools. It just won't matter anymore.

As for Briles being a hypocrite, I think you can look at how the schools voted and see the difference between coaches that want to stay in college and cherish the college game and coaches who have pro aspirations. The only exception there is Beamer, who really surprised me with his vote.

[Hoop Fan]

the more I think about this I think its a bluff. And if they ever tried it, the boycott would strengthen the non-P5's antitrust case including a particular type known as "Concerted Refusal to Deal". Its a lot of noise-warning -don't vote against us or we won't play you. Here's a good definition. Basically, UT doesn't have to play SMU but UT, A&M, Tech etc can't get together an mutually agree (ie conspire) to refuse to ever play SMU under any circumstances.

http://business-law.freeadvice.com/busi ... l_deal.htm

blantant anti-trust. Can't believe they are even talking this way. Some people say the G5 should be lawyering up. If smart, they are, but keeping it very quietly behind the scenes. I would let the P5 know there will be no end to the lawsuits if they push too far including legislating only playing each other. I actually think all this could work in SMUs favor if we push the right buttons because we have resources (rich alums and endowment) to stay in the game or the courtroom for long enough to be a real irritant.

[MustangStealth]

The following hypocrites voted to only schedule P5 opponents, but have a team from outside of FBS altogether on their schedule this year. I realize schedules are done well in advance, and some coaches are new, but I think they could have gotten out of those games if they really wanted to. They want to talk the talk but are unwilling to walk the walk.

Clemson's Dabo Swinney
Miami's Al Golden
Pitt's Paul Chryst
Virginia Tech's Frank Beamer
Maryland's Randy Edsall
Michigan State's Mark Dantonio
Nebraska's Bo Pelini
Northwestern's Pat Fitzgerald
Purdue's Darrell Hazell
Baylor's Art Briles
Kansas' Charlie Weis
Iowa State's Paul Rhoads
Oklahoma State's Mike Gundy
West Virginia's Dana Holgorsen
Arizona State's Todd Graham
Oregon's Mark Helfrich
Oregon State's Mike Riley
Stanford's David Shaw
Washington's Chris Petersen
Alabama's Nick Saban
Florida's Will Muschamp
Kentucky's Mark Stoops
LSU's Les Miles
Mississippi State's Dan Mullen
Ole Miss' Hugh Freeze
Tennessee's Butch Jones


Only 4 of the coaches who voted "only P5" have an entire FBS schedule this year (Michigan, Oklahoma, USC, UCLA).

[max the wonder dog]

The following hypocrites voted to only schedule P5 opponents, but have a team from outside of FBS altogether on their schedule this year. I realize schedules are done well in advance, and some coaches are new, but I think they could have gotten out of those games if they really wanted to. They want to talk the talk but are unwilling to walk the walk.

Clemson's Dabo Swinney
Miami's Al Golden
Pitt's Paul Chryst
Virginia Tech's Frank Beamer
Maryland's Randy Edsall
Michigan State's Mark Dantonio
Nebraska's Bo Pelini
Northwestern's Pat Fitzgerald
Purdue's Darrell Hazell
Baylor's Art Briles
Kansas' Charlie Weis
Iowa State's Paul Rhoads
Oklahoma State's Mike Gundy
West Virginia's Dana Holgorsen
Arizona State's Todd Graham
Oregon's Mark Helfrich
Oregon State's Mike Riley
Stanford's David Shaw
Washington's Chris Petersen
Alabama's Nick Saban
Florida's Will Muschamp
Kentucky's Mark Stoops
LSU's Les Miles
Mississippi State's Dan Mullen
Ole Miss' Hugh Freeze
Tennessee's Butch Jones


Only 4 of the coaches who voted "only P5" have an entire FBS schedule this year (Michigan, Oklahoma, USC, UCLA).

If Kentucky plays only P5 schools they have seen their last bowl game. There are others on the above list who will be bowling every decade or two. Not a good scenario for coaches wanting to keep their jobs.

[fifty]

Except the part about bowl eligibility being changed and them taking all the spots anyway.

[Charleston Pony]

None of that will matter because it will be a 4 conference league with 64 teams. Non-conference is basically pre-season. Winners of each division will play in the championship game of their conference, which is the first round of an 8 team playoff.

The other conferences are going to either force the big 12 to add more teams and have a conference game as well, or split the big 12 up between the other conferences. If this is really all about money, then what makes more sense? Increasing the pool of teams you have to split it with or dividing up the big 12? Probably killing the big 12 and splitting up the teams.

Once there are 4 conferences, there is no reason to play non-conference games against smaller schools. It just won't matter anymore.

As for Briles being a hypocrite, I think you can look at how the schools voted and see the difference between coaches that want to stay in college and cherish the college game and coaches who have pro aspirations. The only exception there is Beamer, who really surprised me with his vote.

That 4 conference 64 team model is what they talked about over 20 years ago and I do think we may be headed that direction. I agree the Big XII is vulnerable in that scenario and unfortunately, TCU and Baylor could get snuffed in the process. Of course, they would be elite football programs at that "next level" we may be destined for

[DanFreibergerForHeisman]

Non-conference is basically pre-season.

Once again, June is ahead of the curve.

[max the wonder dog]

Except the part about bowl eligibility being changed and them taking all the spots anyway.

Do you think they can get away with 5 - 7 teams going to bowl games?

[sbsmith]

Do you think they can get away with 5 - 7 teams going to bowl games?

Of course they can, they've been moving in that direction for a long time.

[East Coast Mustang]

Surprised Butch Jones voted for it. He was at Cincinnati two years ago

[birddogger]

A vote to exclude competition by a cartel. Hmmm...

[PoconoPony]

Will the networks actually get more viewers if this comes to fruition? If my alma mater does not have a dog in the overall long term hunt, can't say that I am watching. Not interested. Maybe there are not enough of people like me in the nonP5 group to matter. Honestly don't know.

I agree with this sentiment. If SMU is permanently kicked out of the highest level of competition, with no games against P5 teams and no access to BCS/Access Bowls or the Playoff, I'm pretty sure that would be the end of my college football fandom. College sports are not like pro sports - I have a degree that reads "Southern Methodist University" - I can't just hop on the bandwagon of some random school with which I have no connection, and I doubt I'll be interested in rooting my team on to the JV squad championship.

I am with you. I support SMU from 1400 miles away, have season tickets and make special trips to Dallas to see SMU play worthy opponents. Take away the competition level and make us a second division team and my interest disappears. I would go so far as to recommend either dropping football or petitioning to join the Ivy League for a whole different approach to football. Maybe drop football and concentrate on basketball. What is to now stop the P5 in the future from wanting their own March Madness tournament with every P5 team in the tournament????? There are ramifications to the new freedoms from the NCAA.