Norm on SMU/JJ

[couch 'em]

Ok couch 'em...I have just heard that most other schools have easier
degree plans than SMU.....maybe someone with more specific knowledge can comment.

Does SMU offer a degree in PE like TCU does?

"Heard". We have all heard much, none of it reliable. We need data. Have we lost a higher percentage of our athletes to grades than other programs? If yes, we have an issue. If no, then we dont.

[LA_Mustang]

B.S.

That's not a very strong counterargument.

[Stallion]

TCU's "PE Course" is really part of Kinesiology. See courses starting "KINE"

SMU uses the term Applied physiology in the College of Education

Schools across the country use both terms and sometimes in conjunction to describe the same thing

[RGV Pony]

I guess we will no longer have the course called Da Kine given this week's events

[Stallion]

See Applied Physiology curiculum

http://www.smu.edu/Simmons/AreasOfStudy ... Curriculum

large concentrations of SMU athletes are taking APSM and/or Sports Management. I've probably identified 15-20 in the past from FB or BB and that's just a cursory view of the internet

[Stallion]

See Undergraduate Sports Management curriculum.

http://www.smu.edu/Simmons/AreasOfStudy ... Curriculum

[Stallion]

I'd also like to remind everybody that despite the incoherent nonsense spouted by Mexmustang an entire College of Education with these undergraduate majors has sprouted up since June Jones came to SMU as planned and promised prior to his hiring. That is a big bucks many multi-million dollar investment in new building, infrastructure, professors and staff etc which I'm sure will be improved and extended in the future. Its not nearly has easy as some suggest to expand such an area of study. SMU has invested probably in excess of 50 million dollars (just a guess) and should be applauded for finally getting this done-not criticized

[floridianstang]

Norm has no idea if the door is shut!

Norm can be a real blow hard sometimes.

It is about your program S so thank God for basketball and soccer and other good athletic programs. Fix Football quickly by loosening the death grip on entrance requirements and we would be back in a jiffy.

You have no idea what you're talking about. There is a MAJOR emphasis put on football. No one gives a crap about soccer, swimming and girls bouncing around on horses. SMU has next to zero of a fanbase in a major market, can't fill 1/3 of their stadium with THEIR supporters on saturdays, and no one wants to touch us. Why would they? Everyone is stealing players from our backyard and they would never want us in a major conference because they would have to cut-off the main artery of recruiting. They would be idiots to add us.. WHAT CAN WE BRING?

I keep hearing that "We have lots of money" - no one cares because our coaches (outside of LB) have been bad investments since 1989.

It's too late - the bus has left. We'll be Gonzaga or UNC-Greensboro of the South and I'm fine with that at this point.

Face it - it's done.

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about. The "zero fanbase" argument is [deleted] and has been debunked by small private schools like Baylor, TCU, Stanford and others. Losing for 30 years will kill any fan excitement. We have 6 million people in the metroplex, I see no reason why a hot, 10+ win football program and a solid yearly sweet 16/final four contender basketball program cannot draw a following of more than 60,000 people in this city. There are lots of newcomers into town from other schools that would become fans of SMU (such as the guy from NIU who posts here) as well as grad students (non SMU alma mater) that would make us their team. We have what boise could never have: a 6 million strong TV market. And there are tons of fans from other schools even in state that become fans of local programs (ex. UT fans being season tix holders at TCU) whenever they are not playing each other.

Just quit with the eeyore attitude of beating yourself up. We are an awesome school and EVERY single flaw people call out is fixable. Be glad we aren't in Stillwater, OK or Waco, TX cause that would suck.

[docabel]

Stupid. A door that is slammed shut is the same as one that is closed....it makes a loud noise but it can still be re-opened.

Then our quest is to find a knob.

Didn't he just resign 2 days ago?

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

So Stallion are you stating that SMU is basically on an exact even playing field with TCU as far as academic entrance for football players, academic difficulty in courses and degree plans for football players, and academic support levels for "learning enhancement center" staffing and budget? You are saying that 100% of TCU's football players would be admitted to SMU and not see any more difficulty in academics than they currently see at TCU?

BTW: I am not argiung otherwise. I honestly just want to know the answer to these questions. I was under the assumption that SMU became more "academic friendly towards football players" after June arrived, but was still not on a 100% even football friendly academic field with TCU.

[Pony in SA]

So Stallion are you stating that SMU is basically on an exact even playing field with TCU as far as academic entrance for football players, academic difficulty in courses and degree plans for football players, and academic support levels for "learning enhancement center" staffing and budget? You are saying that 100% of TCU's football players would be admitted to SMU and not see any more difficulty in academics than they currently see at TCU?

BTW: I am not argiung otherwise. I honestly just want to know the answer to these questions. I was under the assumption that SMU became more "academic friendly towards football players" after June arrived, but was still not on a 100% even football friendly academic field with TCU.

I've got no idea about who has more majors, if level playing field, etc. but TCU somehow has Aaron Green now on their team who couldn't make it at Nebraska, and barely got out of Madison hs, and has the DB from Jay, and before that even Merrill the RB from Taft who aren't exactly Rhodes scholars. I don't know if they could get into smu, or transfer back to us after not making it at other schools, but I honestly would also like to know. If our standards are the same, shame on us for not also going after these kids.

[Stallion]

There is no evidence of SMU having problems getting top recruits into school who are fully qualified in either FB or BB. I've posted the evidence from SMU's own records-the Provost Report graphing SAT schools- that we are admitting about 8 kids every year that are even below the old 700 SAT (recentered to 830 SAT)-that's more than I ever hoped for. I don't think that even includes taking ACT although its not clear

TCU has flunked out-not just dismissed-more players than SMU has over last 3 years. There is no unusual number of academic failures at SMU-you guys just don't follow what's happening at others schools

SMU has spent millions trying to upgrade the courses availiable to student/athletes with the creation of the College of Education and SMU student/athletes are in fact concentrated in those majors. I would hope and expect as the College of Education progresses that those offering are extended where needed

Do we have the support staff that TCU does. I dunno we probably don't have the extra 40 million they do from ticket sales/conference revenue. So I kind of doubt it. But just about every student/athlete that has taken a stand on ponyfans and recruiting sites claims that's a red-herring.

Finally with the mandatory freshman redshirt coming in the Class of 2016-high school juniors) for low qualifiers all of these low qualifiers are going to have to academic redshirts anyway-so its going to be of declining significance anyway and Coaches are not going to take as many gambles especially in football

[floridianstang]

Turner mentioned we have the same level of support that P5 programs offer, and are ready to offer more if the P5 offer more. I am beginning to believe the whole argument about athletes not being admitted to SMU and not graduating is Baloney. Our APR says we do well.

[floridianstang]

June never went after those players. case closed.

[78pony]

I tried to tell this group over a year ago it's done. Over. We are not now, not ever, going to be considered for a P5. Everybody else has been watching for 19 years, the Turner years, and learned long ago we just don't have the heart or commitment. How many coaches are we going to fire before any of you guys get it. Ray Hunt doesn't care, Ford, et al don't care...enough. If you don't know or remember, Ford didn't come to Turner's office going "I have a check and I want us to have a great fb program." Ford had to be talked into the gift. Thankful as we are for it, he didn't pull a T. Boone or a Drayton. 0-38! Those are hard numbers.

In the Turner years, 0 & 38!!!
0 conference champs in fb and bb (mens, which is all that matters) out of 38 opportunities. In the creampuff/powderpuff conferences. Do any of you think that is commitment? Does that sound like a P5?