Dickerson the Whiner

[MustangAlum05]

Just a point of discussion: Keith Frazier.

LB had to go to bat to get Keith Frazier into SMU. It was a really, really tough fight that LB ended up winning against the Provost. Luckily, LB had Turner on his side.

So, on one had, 5 years ago nobody would have had a shot at getting KF in.

On the other, at Baylor the head coach wouldn't have to fight that hard to get him in.

Taking that example forward, is it reasonable to think that June maybe didn't want to fight that hard? Or that Turner wouldn't have his backing? Yeah, those are possibilities.

Is it possible that the Provost could have threatened to take a hard line stance on Mudiay, forcing a LJ situation? Yeah, that is possible too.

I totally get that JJ was full of s*it a lot of the time. But everyone on this board has the same goal - to get SMU back to the upper tier. My philosophy is that where there is smoke there might be fire. I would rather us dig into it and see if there is anything that needs to be resolved still before we bring the next guy in, so that we can set ourselves up for success as much as possible.

It is up to us as alumni to put as much pressure on the Mustang Club and the school to ask the hard questions and get the program in the best position possible for success.

Completely agree with this!

[MustangAlum05]

OK, I'll hop off of my soap box and fade to the back....But one more thing for you administration defenders....wait until you see what's about to happen to our beloved basketball team. You think Mudiay didn't come to SMU for money reasons??? Eligibility concerns???hahaha yeah right - Remember Larry Johnson?

Peace and PonyUp!!

You sound like one of those people that are wishing that the basketball team has bad things happen to them so that you can say "See I told you June was done in by the administration."

No sir Rebel...I actually played at SMU and mentor a few of the current players. So your analysis of what I'm trying to say, couldn't be further from the truth. However, I do see how it could sound that way. I'm proud of our success and hope that we can keep it going and continue to build on it. Unfortunately, it's not always just "X" and "O"s.

[MustangAlum05]

Wow!! The audacity and arrogance of SMU fans never seems to amaze me. I read PonyFans on a daily basis and never felt the urge to respond, but this is getting ridiculous. Outside of the great Doak Walker, ED and the Pony Express are the most important figures in the history of SMU football, maybe SMU sports. Yeah, I agree his opinion was harsh..But I was always told the truth hurts.

Let's be honest, if you think you can get the same kids into SMU as Texas, A&M, TCU, and even Baylor, you're lying to yourself.
Also, if think these schools don't bend the rules slightly, hahaha, that's laughable and be for real. Cheating is big part of success. Believe it or not Baylor is one of the biggest cheaters out there and I know this from personal experience. Listen SMU is living in fear, largely due to the death penalty. Yeah as fans we want our alma mater to compete with the big boys, but WE (alums, students, Administration) do not want to do what is necessary to get US there. We have to force students to attend football games to be eligible for b-ball tickets. At other universities football games are part of the college experience, I don't care how bad the teams are. I have a friend who went to a Purdue game in 30 below degree weather in a packed stadium to watch them get their doors blown off! We talk about June Jones and recruiting. He probably could have given a little more effort, not disputing that. But imagine how difficult it would be to recruit top athletes with 5K fans in the stands. Even in our recent bowl seasons, we couldn't fill the stands. Do we need to go undefeated to get fans to show up on a consistent basis? If so, that's ridiculous!
Oh and the administration....Thank you for putting revenue over the success of the team. We should not be playing Baylor or A&M, but it's big money, so why not. Forget that it will ruin the confidence of the players and start the season off on a bad note year after year. Why not use the Boise State approach, play a bottom feeder P5, Kansas, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest. Success does not come in one big win, it takes time.

OK, I'll hop off of my soap box and fade to the back....But one more thing for you administration defenders....wait until you see what's about to happen to our beloved basketball team. You think Mudiay didn't come to SMU for money reasons??? Eligibility concerns???hahaha yeah right - Remember Larry Johnson?

Peace and PonyUp!!

Bye June, don't be a stranger.

Hahaha...Nice! ^^^^

[Rebel10]

Just a point of discussion: Keith Frazier.

LB had to go to bat to get Keith Frazier into SMU. It was a really, really tough fight that LB ended up winning against the Provost. Luckily, LB had Turner on his side.

So, on one had, 5 years ago nobody would have had a shot at getting KF in.

On the other, at Baylor the head coach wouldn't have to fight that hard to get him in.

Taking that example forward, is it reasonable to think that June maybe didn't want to fight that hard? Or that Turner wouldn't have his backing? Yeah, those are possibilities.

Is it possible that the Provost could have threatened to take a hard line stance on Mudiay, forcing a LJ situation? Yeah, that is possible too.

I totally get that JJ was full of s*it a lot of the time. But everyone on this board has the same goal - to get SMU back to the upper tier. My philosophy is that where there is smoke there might be fire. I would rather us dig into it and see if there is anything that needs to be resolved still before we bring the next guy in, so that we can set ourselves up for success as much as possible.

It is up to us as alumni to put as much pressure on the Mustang Club and the school to ask the hard questions and get the program in the best position possible for success.

So far, Frazier is a one-time experiment that hasn't trickled over to any other sport yet –– or at least not into football. So yes, while we have come miles, admissions and academics is still something of an issue. Yes, yes, we now have the CDSA and a school of education, but we're really just on first or second base compared to what is offered at some of the larger universities.

I'm very proud of my degree and don't necessarily want athletes to get a rubber-stamped auto-diploma. All I'm saying is that with our limited curriculum (i.e. lack of blow-off classes), CORE requirements, gpa requirements to get into many majors, it is more challenging to get into the school and make progress toward your degree to stay eligible to play.

Keivon Gamble and Daren Kitchen got into SMU well before Frazier. They did not have good grades either. And Stallion has more examples than that.

[Rebel10]

I don't think LB had a tough fight for Frazier as you are making it out to be. Did you talk to LB about it or something. If you recall President Turner took the lead and KF was admitted before he even passed the clearinghouse. He got admitted early enough to go to summer school. As far as football is concerned if Kitchen ad Gamble got admitted they can get anyone that passes clearinghouse in.Just saying.

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com ... oday.html/

I told you what I know. You told me what you read in the paper.

And some of the stuff that you have said that you know in the past has been dead wrong.

[Rebel10]

OK, I'll hop off of my soap box and fade to the back....But one more thing for you administration defenders....wait until you see what's about to happen to our beloved basketball team. You think Mudiay didn't come to SMU for money reasons??? Eligibility concerns???hahaha yeah right - Remember Larry Johnson?

Peace and PonyUp!!

You sound like one of those people that are wishing that the basketball team has bad things happen to them so that you can say "See I told you June was done in by the administration."

No sir Rebel...I actually played at SMU and mentor a few of the current players. So your analysis of what I'm trying to say, couldn't be further from the truth. However, I do see how it could sound that way. I'm proud of our success and hope that we can keep it going and continue to build on it. Unfortunately, it's not always just "X" and "O"s.

I know, it's also about Jimmy's and Joe's.

[MustangAlum05]

Truer words have never been spoken Rebel ^^^^^

[ponyboy]

Or in the case of a recent Dallas Cowboys addition, Jimmies, Joes, and Judys.

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

[orguy]

He and Jones are friends, he has always been a vocal guy, and he has always, as far as I can tell, wanted the best for SMU. He will go down in history as the greatest player on the field in our history and should be honored for the great memories he gave to people like me. He can continue to play an important role in creating a positive image for SMU. He is upset and letting off some steam. Let it go.

Well put. Thank you. Some of these posts irk me to no end. Looking back I am so glad he was part of SMU. I was around back then too and saw him play in person. He also was a model student athlete who graduated with a Finance degree from Cox (not exactly a "football player major"). Cannot believe some of the whiners on this board.