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Re: DMN: How could June Jones leave behind this mess at SMU?

Postby Puckhead48E » Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:36 pm

Ponymon wrote:It might have helped if the press (Cowlishaw) had actually paid attention to what was going on at SMU and hammered Jones' and his staff for their lousy recruiting when it was obvious that he had checked out a couple of year's ago. We didn't just get into this mess overnight and the press is just as accountable in my mind as the SMU administration (Orsini) is that saddled the school with a lousy follow-up contract that apparently did not have any penalties for nonperformance.


If you are the DMN, what is your motivation to cover SMU with even an ounce of intensity or motivation? The fanbase is practically non-existent now. The university response to the death penalty (15+ years of being an ostrich with their head in a hole) made it worse. Former players were embarrassed to see the team play, and were treated as persona-non-grata by the school for a long period of time. Then someone with money practically forces Turner to build a stadium and makes him realize that to be a big school in Texas....well....you have to have a football team. We get JJ, who grows into the role only to tank it in all aspects of the job. From recruiting, to engaging the media, the offensive genius turns into a carpetbagger, stealing money and running. So after several decades of either completely ignoring the football program or having a HC who doesn't talk to the media, in a football mad town, we are shocked that the DMN hasn't really covered SMU enough to ask the semi-hard questions? As we say in the military..."really....report and explain your sorry [deleted]."
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Re: DMN: How could June Jones leave behind this mess at SMU?

Postby NavyCrimson » Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:39 pm

Wasn't it just last year the DMN MEDIA was telling us how lucky we were to have JJ? LOL!!!
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Re: DMN: How could June Jones leave behind this mess at SMU?

Postby SMU1523 » Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:44 pm

NavyCrimson wrote:Wasn't it just last year the DMN MEDIA was telling us how lucky we were to have JJ? LOL!!!


Well, if you ask Mike "Debbie Downer" Hashiwhatever, we are lucky to be a school...
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Re: DMN: How could June Jones leave behind this mess at SMU?

Postby floridianstang » Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:48 pm

SMU is not in this "they wont get into a P5" spot right now. We have 5 years to make an impact. And it's all about ratings and fan support.
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Re: DMN: How could June Jones leave behind this mess at SMU?

Postby 03Mustang » Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:49 pm

We'll be ok. Sometimes hitting rock bottom hard is what you have to do to grow.

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Re: DMN: How could June Jones leave behind this mess at SMU?

Postby newshound » Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:46 pm

About time someone from the media grew a pair a began to write the truth.

There is so much more to tell. So much more.

BOONDOGGLE. FRAUD. USED-CAR SALESMAN.

I know how he managed to get us into this mess? He's lazy. Didn't recruit. Didn't adapt. Didn't innovate.

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Re: DMN: How could June Jones leave behind this mess at SMU?

Postby Rebel10 » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:23 am

newshound wrote:About time someone from the media grew a pair a began to write the truth.

There is so much more to tell. So much more.

BOONDOGGLE. FRAUD. USED-CAR SALESMAN.

I know how he managed to get us into this mess? He's lazy. Didn't recruit. Didn't adapt. Didn't innovate.

Welcome back to 1989.

Well.
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Re: DMN: How could June Jones leave behind this mess at SMU?

Postby Stallion » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:35 am

The truth is that June was only doing half his job from Day 1 but he had guys like Klemm and Reinbold to cover for him on the Recruiting side. It apparently has become the conventional wisdom that June checked out after the ASU debacle. No that's not it. If you believe that then you don't understand the problem or college football. June hired the wrong staff for the wrong job from Day 1 and it should have been abundantly clear very early in his tenure.
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Re: DMN: How could June Jones leave behind this mess at SMU?

Postby JasonB » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:47 am

Just to add to that Stallion, Klemm and JR used social media to their advantage to build up the momentum around the program. By not replacing his active, foot on the ground assistants properly and squelching the use of social media, he essentially killed both sales and marketing.
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Re: DMN: How could June Jones leave behind this mess at SMU?

Postby Rebel10 » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:49 am

Stallion wrote:The truth is that June was only doing half his job from Day 1 but he had guys like Klemm and Reinbold to cover for him on the Recruiting side. It apparently has become the conventional wisdom that June checked out after the ASU debacle. No that's not it. If you believe that then you don't understand the problem or college football. June hired the wrong staff for the wrong job from Day 1 and it should have been abundantly clear very early in his tenure.

I know you noted how few of his coaches had any type of Texas connections.
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Re: DMN: How could June Jones leave behind this mess at SMU?

Postby GiddyUp » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:01 pm

Stallion wrote:The truth is that June was only doing half his job from Day 1 but he had guys like Klemm and Reinbold to cover for him on the Recruiting side. It apparently has become the conventional wisdom that June checked out after the ASU debacle. No that's not it. If you believe that then you don't understand the problem or college football. June hired the wrong staff for the wrong job from Day 1 and it should have been abundantly clear very early in his tenure.

Agreed. Wrong staff, all buddies with no Texas ties. Yes, you were correct. Pat on your back.
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Re: DMN: How could June Jones leave behind this mess at SMU?

Postby SoCal_Pony » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:44 pm

Stallion wrote:The truth is that June was only doing half his job from Day 1 but he had guys like Klemm and Reinbold to cover for him on the Recruiting side. It apparently has become the conventional wisdom that June checked out after the ASU debacle. No that's not it. If you believe that then you don't understand the problem or college football. June hired the wrong staff for the wrong job from Day 1 and it should have been abundantly clear very early in his tenure.


Agreed and wonder if Orsini had any conversations with JJ prior to the hire which raised this enormous red flag.

Orsini - tell me your staff
JJ - bunch of old buddies of mine
Orsini - who recruits Texas (as in plural)
JJ - maybe Reinbold (as in singular)
Orsini - Texas is fertile, need heavy emphasis
JJ - let's do it my way instead, I'm a genius
Orsini (to himself) - I'm about to make this [deleted] one of the Top 10 highest paid coaches & he doesn't have a serious plan to recruit Texas!!! Hilltop we have a problem.
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Re: DMN: How could June Jones leave behind this mess at SMU?

Postby TidePony » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:48 pm

June's PR machine is now a dumpster fire - truth is hard to refute.
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Re: DMN: How could June Jones leave behind this mess at SMU?

Postby RGV Pony » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:59 pm

SoCal_Pony wrote:
Stallion wrote:The truth is that June was only doing half his job from Day 1 but he had guys like Klemm and Reinbold to cover for him on the Recruiting side. It apparently has become the conventional wisdom that June checked out after the ASU debacle. No that's not it. If you believe that then you don't understand the problem or college football. June hired the wrong staff for the wrong job from Day 1 and it should have been abundantly clear very early in his tenure.


Agreed and wonder if Orsini had any conversations with JJ prior to the hire which raised this enormous red flag.

Orsini - tell me your staff
JJ - bunch of old buddies of mine
Orsini - who recruits Texas (as in plural)
JJ - maybe Reinbold (as in singular)
Orsini - Texas is fertile, need heavy emphasis
JJ - let's do it my way instead, I'm a genius
Orsini (to himself) - I'm about to make this [deleted] one of the Top 10 highest paid coaches & he doesn't have a serious plan to recruit Texas!!! Hilltop we have a problem.

At the time he thought mcmackin was coming. Wasn't he big xii recruiter of the year or something while at Tech?
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Re: DMN: How could June Jones leave behind this mess at SMU?

Postby mustangxc » Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:03 pm

I remember being pretty fired up about getting McMackin, and then he got the HC gig at Hawaii. Didn't work out too well for either school.
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