The Elephant In The Room We Aren't Talking About

[StallionsModelT]

2 of the 3 players that you single out above as 'truly playing hard', Zach Wood and Krstich, were part of the group of players out on the field with their families after the game you moron.

So according to you they play hard and leave it all out on the field for SMU and their teammates, but for you to be totally satisfied they also need to stay in the locker and hide their faces, in addition to making their families go home without seeing them, because you have some psychic ability to read their hearts and minds.

I bet the players looked up in the stands at multiple points during the game and thought the fans had a lot of quit in them as well. Works both ways my friend.

Not true at all. Wood and Krstich (and a few others) were out there battling to the bitter end. They earned the right to walk off the field with their head held high knowing they put in tremendous effort. Can you say that for every SMU player that was out there in the second half? You honestly think that was max effort? Lack of talent? Certainly. Bad circumstances? No doubt. Sorry I don't care. The next coach will look at this second half (and the second half of UNT) and find some guys who are just going through the motions. Happens with every lost season.


Did I say EVERY kid quit? No. There were some warriors out there that fought it out until the bitter end. If you can honestly say that about every player then I'm sorry we were watching different games.

No, but you specifically pointed out Wood & Krstich as the type of players you liked, without even realizing they were also the exact same players you were criticizing for 'not caring' because they were on the field after the game with their parents.

True or not true?

[StallionsModelT]

Weird. I embedded my response in the quote.

Not true at all. Wood and Krstich (and a few others) were out there battling to the bitter end. They earned the right to walk off the field with their head held high knowing they put in tremendous effort. Can you say that for every SMU player that was out there in the second half? You honestly think that was max effort? Lack of talent? Certainly. Bad circumstances? No doubt. Sorry I don't care. The next coach will look at this second half (and the second half of UNT) and find some guys who are just going through the motions. Happens with every lost season.


Did I say EVERY kid quit? No. There were some warriors out there that fought it out until the bitter end. If you can honestly say that about every player then I'm sorry we were watching different games.

[footballdad]

2 of the 3 players that you single out above as 'truly playing hard', Zach Wood and Krstich, were part of the group of players out on the field with their families after the game you moron.

So according to you they play hard and leave it all out on the field for SMU and their teammates, but for you to be totally satisfied they also need to stay in the locker and hide their faces, in addition to making their families go home without seeing them, because you have some psychic ability to read their hearts and minds.

I bet the players looked up in the stands at multiple points during the game and thought the fans had a lot of quit in them as well. Works both ways my friend.

How many of those fans that left the game attended SMU on a free athletic scholarship. I don't care if the stadium is literally empty the obligation of the student athlete is to do the absolute best you can at all times.

Of course I don't want the kids not to be able to talk to their parents and chit chat after the game regardless of the outcome. I just wish we could see a little bit of anger and disappointment with being the worst team in America. I wonder if Nick Saban would be cool with his players looking up into the stands and waving to their family and friends with 8 minutes to go in the fourth quarter. But he probably wouldn't have quit on his team so the analogy doesn't really work. The kids are just following the lead of their coach. Hard to fault them but they still have a job to do.

The long term harm these kids subject their bodies to on a daily basis is worth 10x the 'free' athletic scholarship they receive. We can argue that one till we're blue in the face if you'd like.

Deep down these kids are top athletes and competitors and I don't believe any of them have given up. The culture June created here may have many of them thinking what they hell they have gotten themselves into? Luckily they no longer have June to worry about and they just have to get through the next 90 days with the rest of his cronies. These kids representing the university well will be the least of your worries once the current regime has officially left the premises.

[StallionsModelT]

2 of the 3 players that you single out above as 'truly playing hard', Zach Wood and Krstich, were part of the group of players out on the field with their families after the game you moron.

So according to you they play hard and leave it all out on the field for SMU and their teammates, but for you to be totally satisfied they also need to stay in the locker and hide their faces, in addition to making their families go home without seeing them, because you have some psychic ability to read their hearts and minds.

I bet the players looked up in the stands at multiple points during the game and thought the fans had a lot of quit in them as well. Works both ways my friend.

I'm not marginalizing the physical grind that comes with playing college football. Last I checked it is a voluntary activity. I get that you have a kid that plays football and, rightfully so, are siding on behalf of the kids. The majority of the blame for the lack of effort falls on June for quitting on the team. That said, these kids that are on scholarship have an obligation to do their best regardless of any external circumstances. Is it human nature to have less passion in a situation like ours? Yes I fully acknowledge that. However, go out there and play every play like its your last and please try not to yuck it up on the sidelines when the game is still going on. Maybe that's too much to ask IDK. Like I said the next coach will watch the second half of UNT and A&M and he'll see who has fight and who doesn't.


How many of those fans that left the game attended SMU on a free athletic scholarship. I don't care if the stadium is literally empty the obligation of the student athlete is to do the absolute best you can at all times.

Of course I don't want the kids not to be able to talk to their parents and chit chat after the game regardless of the outcome. I just wish we could see a little bit of anger and disappointment with being the worst team in America. I wonder if Nick Saban would be cool with his players looking up into the stands and waving to their family and friends with 8 minutes to go in the fourth quarter. But he probably wouldn't have quit on his team so the analogy doesn't really work. The kids are just following the lead of their coach. Hard to fault them but they still have a job to do.

The long term harm these kids subject their bodies to on a daily basis is worth 10x the 'free' athletic scholarship they receive. We can argue that one till we're blue in the face if you'd like.

Deep down these kids are top athletes and competitors and I don't believe any of them have given up. The culture June created here may have many of them thinking what they hell they have gotten themselves into? Luckily they no longer have June to worry about and they just have to get through the next 90 days with the rest of his cronies. These kids representing the university well will be the least of your worries once the current regime has officially left the premises.

[StallionsModelT]

Ah! Did it again!

I'm not marginalizing the physical grind that comes with playing college football. Last I checked it is a voluntary activity. I get that you have a kid that plays football and, rightfully so, are siding on behalf of the kids. The majority of the blame for the lack of effort falls on June for quitting on the team. That said, these kids that are on scholarship have an obligation to do their best regardless of any external circumstances. Is it human nature to have less passion in a situation like ours? Yes I fully acknowledge that. However, go out there and play every play like its your last and please try not to yuck it up on the sidelines when the game is still going on. Maybe that's too much to ask IDK. Like I said the next coach will watch the second half of UNT and A&M and he'll see who has fight and who doesn't.


How many of those fans that left the game attended SMU on a free athletic scholarship. I don't care if the stadium is literally empty the obligation of the student athlete is to do the absolute best you can at all times.

Of course I don't want the kids not to be able to talk to their parents and chit chat after the game regardless of the outcome. I just wish we could see a little bit of anger and disappointment with being the worst team in America. I wonder if Nick Saban would be cool with his players looking up into the stands and waving to their family and friends with 8 minutes to go in the fourth quarter. But he probably wouldn't have quit on his team so the analogy doesn't really work. The kids are just following the lead of their coach. Hard to fault them but they still have a job to do.

[TidePony]

As a person who has attended Alabama games since 1967, players never wave to fans during games. Bryant, Perkins, Stallings, Saban or even Shula (who was too young for such a big job - very much like Kingsbury in the beginning) all demanded discipline and intensity until the clock hit zero. However, after the game it's often been photo op heaven. Don't think the new coach won't see all of this on the film, he will. These kids needs to play hard or they might go from athletic scholarships to who knows where. Our QB is a fighter! I like that. Have a great week everyone!

[mrydel]

During the Bennett era our OC was waving to ladies in the stands, during the game.........while the offense was in the field. Of course I would take him today to finish out our season.

[RGV Pony]

Rusty?

[Junior]

Trombone?

[mrydel]

Rusty?

yep. 3 cougars came into 104 during the game and sat down near your seats. Of course with a small crowd it is easy to converse. The ladies, in unison called out to him and he turned around, sheepishly smiled and waved. They then got up and left.

[StallionsModelT]

Rusty?

yep. 3 cougars came into 104 during the game and sat down near your seats. Of course with a small crowd it is easy to converse. The ladies, in unison called out to him and he turned around, sheepishly smiled and waved. They then got up and left.

That is awesome.

[RGV Pony]

Rusty?

yep. 3 cougars came into 104 during the game and sat down near your seats. Of course with a small crowd it is easy to converse. The ladies, in unison called out to him and he turned around, sheepishly smiled and waved. They then got up and left.

That is awesome.

Pimpin aint easy

[ghost]

TO have a quitter for your head coach, not this year but 3 years ago, carries over to the staff and players. A shame that June left the program in worse shape than he inherited. The players are not to blame. Most were good high school players who were offered scholarships to come to SMU for an education and to be coached and prepared to play Div 1 football. The university has failed them. The education is there but the preparation and commitment of the coaching staff was not. Don't judge the players. The new staff that is selected will have the job of seeing who is committed and who is not in the offseason and spring training. Having said that there is something called pride that is instilled in players to go hard every play and to prepare every day to win a football game whether it be February offseason or Sept 29th.

[StallionsModelT]

TO have a quitter for your head coach, not this year but 3 years ago, carries over to the staff and players. A shame that June left the program in worse shape than he inherited. The players are not to blame. Most were good high school players who were offered scholarships to come to SMU for an education and to be coached and prepared to play Div 1 football. The university has failed them. The education is there but the preparation and commitment of the coaching staff was not. Don't judge the players. The new staff that is selected will have the job of seeing who is committed and who is not in the offseason and spring training. Having said that there is something called pride that is instilled in players to go hard every play and to prepare every day to win a football game whether it be February offseason or Sept 29th.

Perfectly stated. The majority of this falls on June and the coaching staff but c'mon....there was a lot of give up out there in that second half. Hopefully the next coach is able to get the most out of these guys regardless of the circumstances.

[East Coast Mustang]

Absolutely agree- new coach will have to clean house and get rid of a lot of stragglers who have no business being on a D1 roster.