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[vielsiehorsepower]

Getting 25 to switch now would require cash payments.

25?...How many red-shirted freshman do we currently have at SMU?
that we could go ahead and burn their red-shirt?
to get rid of some spares a year earlier than currently scheduled.

1.SOME of these players will be worth something in the future, be it starters or solid back ups. There are a handful of players that have a good amount of potential and can do something for the next coach
2.PRivate schools have a limited number of walk ons due to high tuition so there needs to be a solid number of scholarship players around, even if they are just tackling dummies.
3.Only 25 players can be brought in a year, maybe a little more depending on how many graduate/transfer/get kicked off. You need 85 scholarship players at any time, so your amount of incoming players cannot/ should not be disproportionate to the number of outgoing players. In other words, this will take time
4. The players that will be run off are trouble makers, players who transfer out because they don't like the new system/want to start, Rs seniors and Juniors that won't play much to make room for transfers etc
5.you need at least a 3 deep and a scout team to have a football team. even if a lot of these guys are second or third string or even scout team players they have a use and they cannot be replaced anyway, so you might as well keep them and use them to get the team better as a whole.

or you know, the new staff can roll out your idea and field a team of 25 with 15 true freshman

[Stallion]

One relevant limitation on the number of scholarship SMU could pull is the APR requirements. starting in 2015 a school will have to have a 4 year average of 930 to become bowl eligible. This is 30 points higher than a few years ago and basically-its more complicated-5 points more than last year. I think SMU is in the range of 941-942 right now. If a scholarship player leaves you lose 1 point and 2 points if he is not academically in good standing. Wholesale cutting of scholarship players could result in a big drop in SMU's APR just like TCU's problems during prior 2 seasons and put SMU pretty close to the floor and last for 4 seasons on their APR score. Some analysis of how wholesale cutting of scholarships would affect APR would have to be considered. You likely will have a bunch leave on their own anyways causing more damage to APR.

[couch 'em]

We won't see a bowl for 3 years minimum anyway. 4 yeasts for a worthwhile bowl. Cut away.

[mrydel]

I do not care if they cut any, or they can cut whomever they deem necessary. ISPP is saying burn redshirts so they will graduate in 4 rather than 5. I can see merit in theory but all of this depends on the new coach, his plan, and his needs. I do not want this group to do much of anything to change what we have now. This is a lost season. Let the new coach decide what he wants to do. Rather than burning a redshirt on a kid the new coach would not want, give the kid a chance to transfer and have maximum eligibility. That is fair for us and the player.

[Grant Carter]

I do not care if they cut any, or they can cut whomever they deem necessary. ISPP is saying burn redshirts so they will graduate in 4 rather than 5. I can see merit in theory but all of this depends on the new coach, his plan, and his needs. I do not want this group to do much of anything to change what we have now. This is a lost season. Let the new coach decide what he wants to do. Rather than burning a redshirt on a kid the new coach would not want, give the kid a chance to transfer and have maximum eligibility. That is fair for us and the player.

I agree with you, except red shirting a kid that transfers does not help him have more years of eligibility. 5 years to play 4. If they redshirt this year and transfer next year they have to sit out, then would have 3 years of eligibility. If they play this year, then transfer next year they can sit out but count it as a redshirt, then have 3 years to play at the new school.

Granted, some might be able to get waivers if they move closer to a sick relative in which case it would help them to redshirt this year, but that is the exception.

[Big12Mustang]

We won't see a bowl for 3 years minimum anyway. 4 yeasts for a worthwhile bowl. Cut away.

What if we do? Better to wait and see who we hire an what he does with the current roster. With proper strength and conditioning, new schemes (spread, 4-2-5 defense, etc) could we salvage this roster?

What if Morris/Meacham/Mack etc like a lot of the players and can make a bowl team out of them? Let him decide.

[vielsiehorsepower]

I do not care if they cut any, or they can cut whomever they deem necessary. ISPP is saying burn redshirts so they will graduate in 4 rather than 5. I can see merit in theory but all of this depends on the new coach, his plan, and his needs. I do not want this group to do much of anything to change what we have now. This is a lost season. Let the new coach decide what he wants to do. Rather than burning a redshirt on a kid the new coach would not want, give the kid a chance to transfer and have maximum eligibility. That is fair for us and the player.

I agree with you, except red shirting a kid that transfers does not help him have more years of eligibility. 5 years to play 4. If they redshirt this year and transfer next year they have to sit out, then would have 3 years of eligibility. If they play this year, then transfer next year they can sit out but count it as a redshirt, then have 3 years to play at the new school.

Granted, some might be able to get waivers if they move closer to a sick relative in which case it would help them to redshirt this year, but that is the exception.

Since the General consensus is that most are not d1a athletes, you should probably include that they are immediately eligible transferring to a 1aa school or lower

[Junior]

this is a stupid thread.

[Digetydog]

Getting 25 to switch now would require cash payments.

25?...How many red-shirted freshman do we currently have at SMU?
that we could go ahead and burn their red-shirt?
to get rid of some spares a year earlier than currently scheduled.

You don't get it. Burning a RS doesn't help us clear the roster.
1) if the player has potential (Sievert, Gresham), we get an extra year of eligibility from them
2) if the player isn't starting by his "true" senior year, he don't be brought back for a RS Senior year.

Upside to your plan: none
Downside: we might waste a year of eligibility on someone who gets good under the new coach.

The only reason to "burn" a redshirt at this point is:
1) the player (and Smu) will benefit from getting playing time; or
2) an injury forces us to play him.

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

You don't get it. Burning a RS doesn't help us clear the roster.

So if we burn 5 freshman NO STAR redshirts now it doesn't help anything.
But if a new coach "runs off" the same 5 a year early that helps?

[mrydel]

I do not care if they cut any, or they can cut whomever they deem necessary. ISPP is saying burn redshirts so they will graduate in 4 rather than 5. I can see merit in theory but all of this depends on the new coach, his plan, and his needs. I do not want this group to do much of anything to change what we have now. This is a lost season. Let the new coach decide what he wants to do. Rather than burning a redshirt on a kid the new coach would not want, give the kid a chance to transfer and have maximum eligibility. That is fair for us and the player.

I agree with you, except red shirting a kid that transfers does not help him have more years of eligibility. 5 years to play 4. If they redshirt this year and transfer next year they have to sit out, then would have 3 years of eligibility. If they play this year, then transfer next year they can sit out but count it as a redshirt, then have 3 years to play at the new school.

Granted, some might be able to get waivers if they move closer to a sick relative in which case it would help them to redshirt this year, but that is the exception.

I was basing this on transferring to a lower level to play immediately. If the kid wants to play he needs to go to a school where he will get significant playing time. If he cannot get it at SMU, he best go to a lower level. If he wants an education, stay at SMU, and finish his degree but no longer be on FB scholarship.

[malonish]

We won't see a bowl for 3 years minimum anyway. 4 yeasts for a worthwhile bowl. Cut away.

Yeast

[Stallion]

mrydel's correct. If a redshirt Junior is riding the bench or just another special teams player-traditionally he isn't coming back for a redshirt Senior season anyway. That's usually how our "scholarship counters" are almost always wrong when they say we only have 15-18 scholarships to give and we end up signing 23-25. A redshirt junior has to be invited back for senior year-and they usually aren't if they don't start

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

Stallion can you tell me how many freshman football players
enrolled at SMU are currently being redshirted this season?

[Digetydog]

You don't get it. Burning a RS doesn't help us clear the roster.

So if we burn 5 freshman NO STAR redshirts now it doesn't help anything.
But if a new coach "runs off" the same 5 a year early that helps?

Yes. Redshirt burning is not relevant to the need to turnover the roster. They are independent.