Not Good for SMU

[LA_Mustang]

The leak a week ago was the reason they dropped FSU to 4th was logistics of fan bases of FSU and Alabama. It had nothing to do with who was better. You only have to be anywhere in the top four. One place has no real advantage over the other.

It does based on matchup. I'm sure FSU would prefer to be #3 and play Oregon than #4 and play Bama.

[mrydel]

The top 4 are all good. I would believe getting more fan support would be more important than opponent. It is not like 1 seed playing a16. These are the final four. And I would rather play Bama than Oregon.

[lwjr]

The leak a week ago was the reason they dropped FSU to 4th was logistics of fan bases of FSU and Alabama. It had nothing to do with who was better. You only have to be anywhere in the top four. One place has no real advantage over the other.

OSU 500K alumni
TCU 75K alumni
Baylor slightly bigger than TCU

OSU embarrassing Wisconsin last night played a big role but no one will be able to convince me the above numbers did not play a part of Ohio State jumping TCU and Baylor.

[PonySnob]

And yet we would do anything for our football program to be like TCU's


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[SoCal_Pony]

The fact that we are in Dallas means there will never be a shortage of P5 schools who we can schedule, the recruiting appeal is simply too great. Having said that, I would hope we can retain TCU and alternate between Baylor, Tech, Ok St for attendance reasons.

This all gets (better) solved by having an 8 team format where conference champs receive an auto bid. Question becomes do 16 team conferences complain about 10 or 12 team conferences.

Almost seems like a 4 conference / 16 teams per makes the most sense, which is bad news for us. A 5 conference / 16 teams per works for us.

[peruna81]

Multiple threads cheering for the TCU snub. While I can understand the glee from TCU's misfortune, on balance, this is not good for SMU (IMO). Let's look at it from a pros/cons point of view:

Pros of TCU Missing the Playoff
1) Those of us cheering against our rival, some level of joy.
2) TCU doesn't elevate further in stature, not making it harder for us to recruit against them.

Cons of TCU Missing the Playoff
1) If the B12 decides they need teams, they're going to pick off AAC teams (and it's very very unlikely one of those teams is SMU).
2) It's possible/likely SMU is a team those two schools will not want to play (at least until we're a scalp worth having -- in their view).
3) This could have been a knock on small private schools, at least in part. As much as I would puke in my mouth, having other small private schools in Texas be successful has some level of transference -- if we're serious about competing.

I'm personally not laughing too hard right now.

I believe you could draw a parallel to the NCAA tourney snub of SMU basketball last year and the TCU/Baylor snub...not just the small(er) private school, but the "lack of name". While 'body of work' should matter, it is perception that carries the day in many cases. It is not a long-term good thing for SMU that this happened, but it could open the Big 12 doors to more teams...sadly we are not in a good position to state our case, being one of the 'lesser' non-conference opponents of both of the schools that were left out.

[Charleston Pony]

Almost seems like a 4 conference / 16 teams per makes the most sense, which is bad news for us.

And all it takes is for Texas, Texas Tech, OU and Okie State to re-think that PAC-12(16?) invite to make that 4 x 16 happen. That could force Notre Dame to become a conference member and would basically relegate SMU to that "next level", which is pretty much where we already are. At least in the 4 x 14/16 scenario, the rest of us might play for a championship at that "next level" like FCS does...and we might be able to reform the SWC that would consist of long-time members Baylor, TCU, SMU, Houston & Rice. Between Texas, Oklahoma & Louisiana, it would be easy to put together a 12 member group. Bottom line is that we don't have any control over how this thing plays out because we are not among the big boys. I would feel bad for Baylor and TCU if the 4 x 16 eventually happens, but would love to be back with them as conference mates.

[Stallion]

I think this was a case of a bunch of teams unexpectantly running the table down the stretch and there being too or two many qualified teams for the concept. I really wanted to see a Baylor/TCU style offense have a shot at the Big 10 Champs. Ohio St is a quality team-the rest of that conference isn't top 30. TcU had one of the more amazing seasons in decades. Baylor has no excuse for that West Virginia loss and needs to reanalyze its scheduling

[lwjr]

The fact that we are in Dallas means there will never be a shortage of P5 schools who we can schedule, the recruiting appeal is simply too great. Having said that, I would hope we can retain TCU and alternate between Baylor, Tech, Ok St for attendance reasons.

This all gets (better) solved by having an 8 team format where conference champs receive an auto bid. Question becomes do 16 team conferences complain about 10 or 12 team conferences.

Almost seems like a 4 conference / 16 teams per makes the most sense, which is bad news for us. A 5 conference / 16 teams per works for us.

Baylor and Tech have agreed to an extension to continue their game at Jerryworld. Since both those teams are also in Ft Worth every other year I think they will not not have as much incentive to want to play us. I'm guessing unless SMU improves Baylor and Tech may feel they have nothing to gain by playing SMU in the future.
Okie Light, would be a good option though. Maybe Arkansas when they go to a home and home schedule with A&M.

[LA_Mustang]

These games at Jerry World are bad for SMU. Now schools are able to play games in DFW against quality opponents without scheduling us. The same thing is happening in Houston, too.

[ClemsonWill]

I hated the selection process. Way too much politics. The computer couldn't do any backroom dealing. Frankly, i'm not excited about Bama and OSU. Really wanted to see Baylor or TCU...hey, i'm a spread guy.

[Charleston Pony]

If the Big XII sticks with 10 teams, I would expect them to encourage these "neutral field" games because it helps eliminate some of the advantages a school has when they have 5 conference home games and only 4 road games

[BRStang]

Multiple threads cheering for the TCU snub. While I can understand the glee from TCU's misfortune, on balance, this is not good for SMU (IMO). Let's look at it from a pros/cons point of view:

Pros of TCU Missing the Playoff
1) Those of us cheering against our rival, some level of joy.
2) TCU doesn't elevate further in stature, not making it harder for us to recruit against them.

Cons of TCU Missing the Playoff
1) If the B12 decides they need teams, they're going to pick off AAC teams (and it's very very unlikely one of those teams is SMU).
2) It's possible/likely SMU is a team those two schools will not want to play (at least until we're a scalp worth having -- in their view).
3) This could have been a knock on small private schools, at least in part. As much as I would puke in my mouth, having other small private schools in Texas be successful has some level of transference -- if we're serious about competing.

I'm personally not laughing too hard right now.

Please. First of all, it can only help SMU. Maybe now the Big 12 will wise up and invite SMU to join. Also, TCU and Baylor can't use the playoff as a recruiting tool against us.

Furthermore, those of you who think this had anything to do with private vs public are wrong. It had to do with schedule and no championship game.

Finally, if you think SMU will ever get into a 4 team playoff in the AAC you are delusional. We would have to be undefeated 3 years in a row and have all of the P5 champs have at least 2 losses each.

Plus, SCREW TCU!!! You think they give a crap about SMU?

[SMUPhil]

I don't think TCU and Baylor will avoid playing us because we suck. TCU also had Samford on its schedule, and Baylor had Northwestern State and Buffalo. Let's say if all those teams suck (including us) and are a drain on the SOS, SMU is by far the best "name" team from a legit FBS conference.

So yeah, they may act like playing SMU hurt their chances, but they also had some other body bag teams thrown in there as well.

[SMU2007]

I agree that it is best for smu if tcu has national success. They are the blueprint after all