Does Briles get a free pass?

[Three Putt]

I post very seldom.
I have 2 daughters.
If one of them had been raped by this guy, he would never had been in court for a trial and I would be behind bars.
Baylor's actions are irresponsible and reprehensible. For any Baylor fan to think otherwise is sickening.

[CA Mustang]

The HS coach of the player corroborates what Briles was told as he was told the same thing by Peterson.

I fully discount the HS coach's statement. I can think of many reasons why he'd back Briles (maintain relationship with BU, gain Briles as a backer, get BU to look at his kids longer, etc.) and very few why he wouldn't (if she was from Pearland or was a relative/friend). His credibility would be similar to one of Briles' assistants.

I am also extremely skeptical of any investigation these clowns produce. They had their chance to prove their integrity with their investigation of the rape. They failed miserably.

I agree completely.

[Rebel10]

I post very seldom.
I have 2 daughters.
If one of them had been raped by this guy, he would never had been in court for a trial and I would be behind bars.
Baylor's actions are irresponsible and reprehensible. For any Baylor fan to think otherwise is sickening.

Now that is truly looking at it from an subjective viewpoint. What Baylor knew is the question. We all agree that the young man needs to pay the penalty. But at the moment we don't know, so before we lynch Baylor officials let's give time for due process to take place.

[Puckhead48E]

I post very seldom.
I have 2 daughters.
If one of them had been raped by this guy, he would never had been in court for a trial and I would be behind bars.
Baylor's actions are irresponsible and reprehensible. For any Baylor fan to think otherwise is sickening.

Now that is truly looking at it from an subjective viewpoint. What Baylor knew is the question. We all agree that the young man needs to pay the penalty. But at the moment we don't know, so before we lynch Baylor officials let's give time for due process to take place.

Haha...haha...no. They had ample time. They had ample available information. They chose not to use that time wisely and not to take advantage of that information. You act as if they just found out about these allegations yesterday.

[smusic 00]

Don't forget that they determined that the woman's story was not true, due to a thoroughly inadequate and biased investigation. That's the real crime. At least at SMU the coverup was based on a finding of fact; the crime at our house was in not turning perps over to the authorities and trying to deal with it all in house.

[Rebel10]

I post very seldom.
I have 2 daughters.
If one of them had been raped by this guy, he would never had been in court for a trial and I would be behind bars.
Baylor's actions are irresponsible and reprehensible. For any Baylor fan to think otherwise is sickening.

Now that is truly looking at it from an subjective viewpoint. What Baylor knew is the question. We all agree that the young man needs to pay the penalty. But at the moment we don't know, so before we lynch Baylor officials let's give time for due process to take place.

Haha...haha...no. They had ample time. They had ample available information. They chose not to use that time wisely and not to take advantage of that information. You act as if they just found out about these allegations yesterday.

I am talking about the information on the Boise situation. Is that what you are talking about?

[Rebel10]

Don't forget that they determined that the woman's story was not true, due to a thoroughly inadequate and biased investigation. That's the real crime. At least at SMU the coverup was based on a finding of fact; the crime at our house was in not turning perps over to the authorities and trying to deal with it all in house.

You talking about Pittman?

[peruna81]

Did Baylor officials know about previous issues with this player? Fairly simple, either yes or no.
Did Baylor officials do an adequate 'due diligence' in vetting this player? Fairly obvious, no.
Did Baylor officials compartmentalize this into a nice, neat package when the public became aware? Nope.

Most troubling to me is the apparent casual way Baylor dealt with an assault on a student....an internal investigation that deems no merit, yet a criminal court finds ample evidence to convict....which would lead me to question:

Would I want my daughter to attend Baylor, with this kind of current atmosphere? Not a chance.

[Pony in SA]

I post very seldom.
I have 2 daughters.
If one of them had been raped by this guy, he would never had been in court for a trial and I would be behind bars.
Baylor's actions are irresponsible and reprehensible. For any Baylor fan to think otherwise is sickening.

Exactly. If you are parent and have children, or view this objectively without Baylor glasses on, what was done to the girl is horrible by the university. Her life was altered. What Briles knew or didn't know is just one issue and really a distraction, how Baylor chose to handle this after the incident as a university is most disturbing and what should really be the focus.

Don't feel sorry for Briles, he's made millions and has millions to fall back on regardless of what eventually happens (which we all know is nothing) and he will go on.
Don't feel sorry for Baylor who likewise has made millions from the athletics, and surely don't feel sorry for Baylor here because Baylor brought this on itself by admitting the kids.
Feel sorry and pray for the victim here, how she had to change her life, etc.

Baylor attorney in town that I work with often and was big athletic supporter told me this is last straw for him with Briles. He previously was upset at the weak OOC scheduling which he called a "complete joke." Said he is disappointed in the university and their response to this, and the decision to self-investigate. His own words were "ridiculous they are not having outside independent review of this." At least he can view this objectively and he is Baylor alum, and I would think other Baylor alums if they take a step back would see how bad the university dropped the ball on this one.

[smusic 00]

Don't forget that they determined that the woman's story was not true, due to a thoroughly inadequate and biased investigation. That's the real crime. At least at SMU the coverup was based on a finding of fact; the crime at our house was in not turning perps over to the authorities and trying to deal with it all in house.

You talking about Pittman?

Amongst other, non athletes. We were subject to federal inquiries on the subject for trying to handle everything on our own. But in our case we quietly ushered the parties away instead of inconveniencing the victim to the point where they ran.

[ericdickerson4life]

My wife, regrettably, is a BU Alum. At this point she wouldn't let my daughter go to school there. The worse part is the ridiculous responses she got when she posted this on her FB page. Several BU alum came out and said "this is what happens when you want to run with the big boys".

My response was, really?! You have to sacrifice up one of your own to sexual assault to win football games? Should I turn and look at my daughter and say, sorry sweetie you've been chosen, you need to take one of the team here, it's for the greater good. Sick.

I don't know that Starr would know, seems he'd have better things to worry about day to day and that someone under him would be making these decisions. Briles, I suspect that he was pushing for admittance and pushing for keeping the kid around and involved in football activities. I've lost a lot of respect for the man.

He should come out and say he as the head football coach, did a terrible job in this situation and will do everything in his power to make things right. That he will voluntarily go on suspension for a few games, and try to show some kind of remorse for poor decision making. Not go defensive, pass the buck, place blame on the outsiders or someone else inside the school (where there is definitely blame to go around). Set an example for the young men you are trying to teach football and life too. Alas, he won't. I wonder what he would tell the victim and her parents if he had to talk to them face to face? He'd do it all again with the next guy? Because that's what I'm getting out of this. He won't ask the big questions, they won't kick off a guy that is indicted of sexual assault, they won't even restrict his access to team workouts. We've got football games to win here folks. Leave your hearts and souls at the door, no use for them here.

[untitled]

Show me a statement made by Peterson specifically talking about domestic violence. If you can't then it is based on your speculation.

Well, yeah, of course this is based on speculation, and I never stated the Paterson specifically talked about domestic violence. But that doesn't mean that I can't connect a few dots to come to the conclusions I've reached. However, since you seem to be more focused on the coaches' "he said, she said" aspect of this mess, I'll concede that we don't know exactly what "thoroughly apprised" really means when Peterson uses that phrase. But we do know that Ukwuachu testified under oath that the Baylor coaches knew everything about his departure from Boise, so whether it came from Peterson or Ukwuachu or whomever, it's not unreasonable to conclude that Briles knew what he was getting into.

That being said, what IMO is not up for debate is that (1) Briles' and Baylor's investigation into the kid's background was inadequate; (2) Briles' and Baylor's investigation into the incident was a total joke that found, by a preponderance of the evidence, that nothing wrong had happened, while a court of law found, beyond a reasonable doubt, that a sexual assault took place; and (3) Briles' and Baylor's handling of the victim and the player following the incident was disgraceful, to put it mildly.

[Rebel10]

Don't forget that they determined that the woman's story was not true, due to a thoroughly inadequate and biased investigation. That's the real crime. At least at SMU the coverup was based on a finding of fact; the crime at our house was in not turning perps over to the authorities and trying to deal with it all in house.

You talking about Pittman?

Amongst other, non athletes. We were subject to federal inquiries on the subject for trying to handle everything on our own. But in our case we quietly ushered the parties away instead of inconveniencing the victim to the point where they ran.

I believe Pittman and Henderson came back to SMU and played ball.

[Rebel10]

My wife, regrettably, is a BU Alum. At this point she wouldn't let my daughter go to school there.

Would she not let her daughter go there because she thinks her daughter might get sexually assaulted?

[ericdickerson4life]

My wife, regrettably, is a BU Alum. At this point she wouldn't let my daughter go to school there.

Would she not let her daughter go there because she thinks her daughter might get sexually assaulted?

No. We/She is rational enough to understand that sexual assault is not an exclusive thing that BU has a monopoly on. She (this is her opinion, I don't want to send her to BU because well, it's BU) wouldn't send her there because if she, God forbid, was sexual assaulted (especially by an athlete) that she wouldn't get a fair shake. That my child's needs would then be put in the back seat to a football program, basketball program, etc.

I'm all for letting the facts come out. I'm guessing we will never get all the facts as someone will jump on the sword (aka fall guy, thanks Chris Carter for your advise). But to think Briles has zero say, doesn't have a clue as to the guys he brings in or is charged with or whatever is so unbelievably naive. Dude knows more than he's letting on that's for sure. And I'm also sure he's surrounded by lawyers telling him to shut up.