Job One After Todays Beatdown

[Rebel10]

If we get a high caliber DE a lot of the defensive problems will be helped. D. Gary has the athleticism to be that imo.

[Digetydog]

If we get a high caliber DE a lot of the defensive problems will be helped. D. Gary has the athleticism to be that imo.

Until our DB's can cover someone and our LB can aversge more tackles per game than I did ...

[Rebel10]

If we get a high caliber DE a lot of the defensive problems will be helped. D. Gary has the athleticism to be that imo.

Until our DB's can cover someone and our LB can aversge more tackles per game than I did ...

If we have one good DE that can consistently put pressure on the QB our DB's and LB's will look better imo.

[footballdad]

Job 1 - upgrade the defensive coaching staff. With the exception of a couple of guys on the DL, name one player that consistently played at AAC levels?[/quote]

Are you blaming that on the staff?[/quote]

1) we gave up 40pts+ 10 times.
2) Navy and Memphis could have scored 75+ w/o breaking a sweat. We couldn't stop a FCS team from running it down our throat.
3) Nobody at DB or LB developed into an AAC caliber player.
4) We were actually worse than last year.

While the talent deficit was certainly a large part if the problem, the defensive staff didn't make things better. Name one thing they accomplished in 2015![/quote]

Crickets.........

[vielsiehorsepower]

Job 1 - upgrade the defensive coaching staff. With the exception of a couple of guys on the DL, name one player that consistently played at AAC levels?

Are you blaming that on the staff?[/quote]

1) we gave up 40pts+ 10 times.
2) Navy and Memphis could have scored 75+ w/o breaking a sweat. We couldn't stop a FCS team from running it down our throat.
3) Nobody at DB or LB developed into an AAC caliber player.
4) We were actually worse than last year.


While the talent deficit was certainly a large part if the problem, the defensive staff didn't make things better. Name one thing they accomplished in 2015![/quote]

Crickets.........[/quote]


I'll give you 1 and 2, most definitely. But as far as 3 I don't it's fair to blame morris for the shortcomings of June's players that we agreed are not really d1 quality, particularly in year 1. I believe a better job likely could have been done schematically but that's not fair to throw all on the staff. And 4, as other have pointed out last year everyone took their foot off of the pedal in the second quarter because they didn't fear the offenses ability (or lack thereof) to score. I believe defense was equally as bad this year as last year as far as talent goes.

Ifootballdad I feel you may have some slightly unrealistic expectations. I do agree with you that things do need to be better but the coaches are still figuring this out and the talent just isn't there YET. as you know this was not an experienced coaching staff but did you expect to get one? We're lucky Chad Morris took an interest in interviewing for the job as more than salary posturing for another gig. But namely, my point is that it seems like you're airing out these complaints when they really wouldn't make much of a difference anyway. Theoretically if all of your suggestions were perfectly accurate and applied as such this would still be a crappy team that graduated 30 seniors, none of whom were impact players. No one can change that

[jpe747]

Job 1 - upgrade the defensive coaching staff. With the exception of a couple of guys on the DL, name one player that consistently played at AAC levels?

Are you blaming that on the staff?

1) we gave up 40pts+ 10 times.
2) Navy and Memphis could have scored 75+ w/o breaking a sweat. We couldn't stop a FCS team from running it down our throat.
3) Nobody at DB or LB developed into an AAC caliber player.
4) We were actually worse than last year.


While the talent deficit was certainly a large part if the problem, the defensive staff didn't make things better. Name one thing they accomplished in 2015![/quote]

Crickets.........[/quote]


I'll give you 1 and 2, most definitely. But as far as 3 I don't it's fair to blame morris for the shortcomings of June's players that we agreed are not really d1 quality, particularly in year 1. I believe a better job likely could have been done schematically but that's not fair to throw all on the staff. And 4, as other have pointed out last year everyone took their foot off of the pedal in the second quarter because they didn't fear the offenses ability (or lack thereof) to score. I believe defense was equally as bad this year as last year as far as talent goes.

Ifootballdad I feel you may have some slightly unrealistic expectations. I do agree with you that things do need to be better but the coaches are still figuring this out and the talent just isn't there YET. as you know this was not an experienced coaching staff but did you expect to get one? We're lucky Chad Morris took an interest in interviewing for the job as more than salary posturing for another gig. But namely, my point is that it seems like you're airing out these complaints when they really wouldn't make much of a difference anyway. Theoretically if all of your suggestions were perfectly accurate and applied as such this would still be a crappy team that graduated 30 seniors, none of whom were impact players. No one can change that[/quote]



jpe747
Additionally the defensive strategy, i.e. alignments, zones, areas of player responsibility, defensive plays (blitzs, etc.) where probably sound and based on effective and proven strategies. However, the bad defensive play was for the most part caused where players were too slow to cover their zones or to weak to plug a hole. Defensive backs and linebackers were just outran on passing plays as well as open field sprints. As for Navy game, I was more concerned about Navy than any other AAC team we had on schedule because they play such a physical game and one different than most everyone in college football today. Our line and linebackers were not physically able to withstand that type of attack. As for Memphis, there is no excuse. The team played TCU and Baylor much better than Memphis. Coach Morris, however, said what I was thinking (and I'm sure most everyone who has followed football for a long time). The team did not go out and play. I understand because this is a team beaten down over the season and got behind early on mistakes. Last game of the year, visitors, on a rainy day. They had no fight. Give that one to the coaches if you like. However, I expect C. Morris to be very upset and ready to make major changes. As for coaches, that is his staff and he knows how good or bad his assistant coaches are. We must give him the confidence to run the program as he sees fit. I personally find it hard to hold an assistant responsible for the physical shortcomings of players on defense. I would be surprised to see coaching changes unless there is something going on that is not seen from the stands.

[Digetydog]

Job 1 - upgrade the defensive coaching staff. With the exception of a couple of guys on the DL, name one player that consistently played at AAC levels?

Are you blaming that on the staff?

1) we gave up 40pts+ 10 times.
2) Navy and Memphis could have scored 75+ w/o breaking a sweat. We couldn't stop a FCS team from running it down our throat.
3) Nobody at DB or LB developed into an AAC caliber player.
4) We were actually worse than last year.


While the talent deficit was certainly a large part if the problem, the defensive staff didn't make things better. Name one thing they accomplished in 2015![/quote]

Crickets.........[/quote]


I'll give you 1 and 2, most definitely. But as far as 3 I don't it's fair to blame morris for the shortcomings of June's players that we agreed are not really d1 quality, particularly in year 1. I believe a better job likely could have been done schematically but that's not fair to throw all on the staff. And 4, as other have pointed out last year everyone took their foot off of the pedal in the second quarter because they didn't fear the offenses ability (or lack thereof) to score. I believe defense was equally as bad this year as last year as far as talent goes.

Ifootballdad I feel you may have some slightly unrealistic expectations. I do agree with you that things do need to be better but the coaches are still figuring this out and the talent just isn't there YET. as you know this was not an experienced coaching staff but did you expect to get one? We're lucky Chad Morris took an interest in interviewing for the job as more than salary posturing for another gig. But namely, my point is that it seems like you're airing out these complaints when they really wouldn't make much of a difference anyway. Theoretically if all of your suggestions were perfectly accurate and applied as such this would still be a crappy team that graduated 30 seniors, none of whom were impact players. No one can change that[/quote]

3) is the most important failure b/c next year - > we needed to have some positions locked down by someone who is reliable even if they aren't great. Good coaches achieve something with the players they have until they can upgrade the talent pool.

[EastStang]

Call it bad luck or kharma, but the invisible chrome Ponies need to be burned and never brought out again.

[JasonB]

As a coach, you have to be realistic about the limitations of some players. I'll give you a three down sequence from the Memphis game.

Play 1 - we have longoria as TE on the right side. Never played TE before a few weeks ago, but we execute a run play that runs right behind him. He gets beat, loss of 2 yards.

Play 2 - pass play. We have a blocking scheme where, again, Longoria is TE on the right side. He stays in to block. RT crashes inside to block the guard. Longoria is 1 v 1 on the DE and again gets beat, sack.

Play 3 - Third and forever, so we are going to run a QB draw. 71, playing LG for the second game in his career and by no means a guard type of blocker, is asked to pull to the right side and seal the DT to create a hole for Davis. He completely whiffs on the block, and Davis loses a couple of yards.

When you have guys playing out of position, you have to call plays that give them help, not call plays that isolate them in a really important role. Now, granted, one could argue that every player on the line needs help . But that three down sequence somewhere in the second quarter had no chance from the beginning.

[Rebel10]

As a coach, you have to be realistic about the limitations of some players. I'll give you a three down sequence from the Memphis game.

Play 1 - we have longoria as TE on the right side. Never played TE before a few weeks ago, but we execute a run play that runs right behind him. He gets beat, loss of 2 yards.

Play 2 - pass play. We have a blocking scheme where, again, Longoria is TE on the right side. He stays in to block. RT crashes inside to block the guard. Longoria is 1 v 1 on the DE and again gets beat, sack.

Play 3 - Third and forever, so we are going to run a QB draw. 71, playing LG for the second game in his career and by no means a guard type of blocker, is asked to pull to the right side and seal the DT to create a hole for Davis. He completely whiffs on the block, and Davis loses a couple of yards.

When you have guys playing out of position, you have to call plays that give them help, not call plays that isolate them in a really important role. Now, granted, one could argue that every player on the line needs help . But that three down sequence somewhere in the second quarter had no chance from the beginning.

Wow, criticizing your coach. You never did that to June.

[Puckhead48E]

As a coach, you have to be realistic about the limitations of some players. I'll give you a three down sequence from the Memphis game.

Play 1 - we have longoria as TE on the right side. Never played TE before a few weeks ago, but we execute a run play that runs right behind him. He gets beat, loss of 2 yards.

Play 2 - pass play. We have a blocking scheme where, again, Longoria is TE on the right side. He stays in to block. RT crashes inside to block the guard. Longoria is 1 v 1 on the DE and again gets beat, sack.

Play 3 - Third and forever, so we are going to run a QB draw. 71, playing LG for the second game in his career and by no means a guard type of blocker, is asked to pull to the right side and seal the DT to create a hole for Davis. He completely whiffs on the block, and Davis loses a couple of yards.

When you have guys playing out of position, you have to call plays that give them help, not call plays that isolate them in a really important role. Now, granted, one could argue that every player on the line needs help . But that three down sequence somewhere in the second quarter had no chance from the beginning.

Wow, criticizing your coach. You never did that to June.

Insightful content! Thanks for you're addition to the conversation.

Wait, maybe there is a lack of talent.

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[JasonB]

And on top of that it isn't true. I pointed out deficiencies in June's offense and play calling multiple times, as well as Mason's defense. Just because I said you can't fire a guy after one losing season at SMU after 5 bowl games doesn't mean I thought he was a great coach. Maybe if I point that out again and again it will finally sink in.

[Rebel10]

And on top of that it isn't true. I pointed out deficiencies in June's offense and play calling multiple times, as well as Mason's defense. Just because I said you can't fire a guy after one losing season at SMU after 5 bowl games doesn't mean I thought he was a great coach. Maybe if I point that out again and again it will finally sink in.

Yep, we shouldn't have fired June. Especially after the ASU mess. And no, you never said anything about June's play calling outlining it in a 3 point commentary and in fact defended Mason's lack of making good adjustments.

But that's okay because you and footballdad will have HCCM on the hotseat sooner than later. Oh well.

[Digetydog]

And on top of that it isn't true. I pointed out deficiencies in June's offense and play calling multiple times, as well as Mason's defense. Just because I said you can't fire a guy after one losing season at SMU after 5 bowl games doesn't mean I thought he was a great coach. Maybe if I point that out again and again it will finally sink in.

Although there were some issues on offense (almost all related to the OL), I think most people would agree that we made significant progress on the offensive side of the ball. Next year, we should be at least "AAC Average" at RB, TE, WR and probably QB regardless of who starts. Like this year, our offensive success will depend upon how the OL plays. Based upon last year's OL performance, this year's OL probably performed about as well as could be expected.

On defense, I think that there is a real argument that Morris/Malone failed to accomplish anything. In addition to giving up a staggering number of points, they failed to coach up any players that can be relied upon. If you leave out "new" players w/o any game experience, our current first string defense (based upon PT at the end of the season) probably looks something like this:

LDE Open
NT Gentry
DT Green
RDE Lawler
MIKE Rhone
WILL Mitchell
STAR Cox, RC
LCB Lancaster
SS Wyatt
FS Open
RCB Jeanlys

How many guys on that list start on a "good" team? Only Gentry, Green, and Lawler played anything close to AAC adequate. While there will certainly be changes as RS Freshman and True Freshman (and guys returning from injuries) challenge for jobs, we shouldn't have 8 starting (and 8-11 backup) jobs totally up for grabs.

[Pony Boss]

If Georgia can fire a coach that goes 9-3 then we can definitely fire June after the ASU fiasco.