ranking AAC qbs

[vielsiehorsepower]

1) In 2010, against lesser competition and with 2 more games, Padron only had 4000 yards. If Davis had Padron's OL and 2 NFL WRs to throw to, I think their Total Offense stats would be very close.
2) Davis didn't quit when things got tough.

If Davis had Padron's OL and WRs he'd still come up well short of that TO mark because those factors would be lessened given Davis' lousy pocket presence. He'd still be missing open receivers and scrambling into a ton of sacks.

This. Davis could have easily had 250-350 more passing yards at least if he knew how to check down or throw worth a damn

[vielsiehorsepower]

1) In 2010, against lesser competition and with 2 more games, Padron only had 4000 yards. If Davis had Padron's OL and 2 NFL WRs to throw to, I think their Total Offense stats would be very close.
2) Davis didn't quit when things got tough.

He didn't quit..except when he got passed up on the depth chart and transferred to juco? Your posts are getting laughable at this point

He certainly did not put up much of a fight for his job.

In 2011, he lost his job to McDermott who (a) was not very good and (b) who ran out of eligibility at the end of the season. McDermott was no threat to his long term prospects for starting.
Rather than return to fight for his job in 2012 against Gilbert (who was transferring in) and (?? Preston, Kaiser??), he chose to transfer to EWU. Considering how poorly Gilbert played at UT, Padron's decision not to try to win the job was questionable.

After splitting time in 2012 at EWU with Vernon Wells (who turned out to be a very good QB), he left EWU rather than fight for the job.

Bottom line: He either lost (and/or didn't fight for) two starting jobs including a FCS level job.

Although Padron is a better passer than Davis, I'll take Davis (and his mobility/heart/leadership) over Padron all day long.[/quote]


So he lost his starting job to an fcs phenom who later transferred and started at oregon? Beautiful job of spinning details to fit your narrative though.

And Gilbert was a graduate transfer. Do you actually think he comes here if he wasn't all but guaranteed the starting job by june?

[vielsiehorsepower]

If Sutton is covered and the defense uses a LB or S as a spy then Davis was nearly useless last year.

Amazing that with all that attention that the defense had to pay to his running ability that he was still not more than adequate in the passing game. Don't tell that to Digetydog though

[StallionsModelT]

You really started to see defenses limit Davis and this offense after there was sufficient tape on him.

1) Bracket Sutton
2) Spy on Davis with athletic LB or S
3) Watch Davis chunk it deep or take off running like a chicken with its head cut off

[Digetydog]

If Sutton is covered and the defense uses a LB or S as a spy then Davis was nearly useless last year.

Amazing that with all that attention that the defense had to pay to his running ability that he was still not more than adequate in the passing game. Don't tell that to Digetydog though

Despite your "Fact" that Davis' running doesn't help, he managed to have over 50% of our rushing yards in 2014 (613) and 39% of our rushing yards in 2015 (761). It might of contributed the fact that we scored 333 points in 2015 vs 133 points in 2014. In 2013, 321 total points led to a 5 win season because we had an actual defense.

Your obsession with blaming Davis for all our problems is tiresome.

Anyone who doesn't have his head up his ***** knows that our W-L failure in 2015 was largely caused by the horror show defense that gave up 548 points (46 per game). But for sad, pathetic Kansas, SMU's defense would have been Dead F**** Last in Division 1.

http://www.si.com/college-football/stan ... Conference

[StallionsModelT]

Certainly our historically terrible defense didn't help but it also didn't help that our offense in the second half of several games this year went into long stretches of complete ineptitude which again points to adjustments made by the opposing defense and our/Davis' inability to counter those adjustments.

[vielsiehorsepower]

If Sutton is covered and the defense uses a LB or S as a spy then Davis was nearly useless last year.

Amazing that with all that attention that the defense had to pay to his running ability that he was still not more than adequate in the passing game. Don't tell that to Digetydog though

Despite your "Fact" that Davis' running doesn't help, he managed to have over 50% of our rushing yards in 2014 (613) and 39% of our rushing yards in 2015 (761). It might of contributed the fact that we scored 333 points in 2015 vs 133 points in 2014. In 2013, 321 total points led to a 5 win season because we had an actual defense.

Your obsession with blaming Davis for all our problems is tiresome.

Anyone who doesn't have his head up his ***** knows that our W-L failure in 2015 was largely caused by the horror show defense that gave up 548 points (46 per game). But for sad, pathetic Kansas, SMU's defense would have been Dead F**** Last in Division 1.

http://www.si.com/college-football/stan ... Conference

I didn't say it didn't help buddy, I said it didn't help him become more than an adequate passer. Again, Nice job changing the details to fit your narrative. I never once blamed him for all of the offensive problems. If anything I implied for all of the offensive problems, Davis is not omitted from that list. Hell of an athlete. One the best qbs post death penalty?


I haven't seen it and quite frankly, neither have you.

[Digetydog]

I didn't say it didn't help buddy, I said it didn't help him become more than an adequate passer. Again, Nice job changing the details to fit your narrative. I never once blamed him for all of the offensive problems. If anything I implied for all of the offensive problems, Davis is not omitted from that list. Hell of an athlete. One the best qbs post death penalty? I haven't seen it and quite frankly, neither have you.

1) I don't believe that I wrote post DP. I believe that I wrote post June's arrival. Going back to the DP, Flanagan, McCown, Bartel, and others had more talent and/or success. Post-June, Gilbert is the best passer and turned out to be surprisingly mobile.

2) If we have an "adequate passer" who can run the ball, we can win games IF the defense doesn't suck again (and again).

[Junior]

matt davis is 3rd
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c ... story.html

he's 1st alphabetically

[vielsiehorsepower]

I didn't say it didn't help buddy, I said it didn't help him become more than an adequate passer. Again, Nice job changing the details to fit your narrative. I never once blamed him for all of the offensive problems. If anything I implied for all of the offensive problems, Davis is not omitted from that list. Hell of an athlete. One the best qbs post death penalty? I haven't seen it and quite frankly, neither have you.

1) I don't believe that I wrote post DP. I believe that I wrote post June's arrival. Going back to the DP, Flanagan, McCown, Bartel, and others had more talent and/or success. Post-June, Gilbert is the best passer and turned out to be surprisingly


Even by that measurement I disagree.

[PonySnob]

Flanagan!!

[StallionsModelT]

Justin Willis

[Digetydog]

Justin Willis

When June dumped Willis, I began to suspect that we made a bad hire.

[indianmustang]

Justin Willis

that cost us few games

[vielsiehorsepower]

Justin Willis

When June dumped Willis, I began to suspect that we made a bad hire.

At least we agree on this!