ESPN: How college football's Power 5 should expand

[mustangxc]

this is an emotional issue for both SMU and Houston fans, but the bottom line is that neither program is a "destination" job

On your mind you may think SMU has no assets, no value and nothing to offer...your opinion and I completely disagree with it.

SMU's assets and value, peak at the AAC. Nothing to offer the P5

Nobody outside of this board thinks otherwise. There is a reason that SMU is NEVER mentioned nationally as an expansion candidate.

It is what it is. Just focus on being the best in the AAC, which seems to be plenty for the basketball fans.

SMU is not mentioned because we are coming off 5,1,2 win seasons and have not won big since the early 80s

[Pony Boss]

[quote="Charleston Pony"]this is an emotional issue for both SMU and Houston fans, but the bottom line is that neither program is a "destination" job

On your mind you may think SMU has no assets, no value and nothing to offer...your opinion and I completely disagree with it.

SMU's assets and value, peak at the AAC. Nothing to offer the P5

Nobody outside of this board thinks otherwise. There is a reason that SMU is NEVER mentioned nationally as an expansion candidate.

It is what it is. Just focus on being the best in the AAC, which seems to be plenty for the basketball fans.

SMU is not mentioned because we are coming off 5,1,2 win seasons and have not won big since the early 80s[/quote]
This. Troll dad just likes messing with us. He probably has no kid in the football team.

[footballdad]

Really just trying inject a small does of straight talk into a mostly delusion conversation.

Not sure about the kid 'in' the team?

[East Coast Mustang]

Really just trying inject a small does of straight talk into a mostly delusion conversation.

Not sure about the kid 'in' the team?

Not sure about the "small does" of straight talk, either

[Charleston Pony]

I know there is a lot of hate directed at footballdad and probably for me as well, but the truth hurts sometimes and I happen to agree with footballdad on a lot of things being discussed on this board. I've never said SMU has no assets or value, but happen to agree with footballdad that we just don't have much appeal at P5 level under today's conditions.

For now I will go along with Rick Hart and say our goal should be to win AAC Championships and be an asset to our conference. There is no reason SMU can't become the Boise State of football and Gonzaga of basketball and if that can be accomplished, I do believe we will significantly increase student & alumni support and contributions towards athletics...then maybe someday we will be viewed differently by the rest of the world and attract the t-shirt fans we desperately need. After what has been almost 30 years of post death penalty irrelevance and apathy, we still have a steep hill to climb but Larry Brown's bball program and hopefully now Chad Morris' football program appear to be on track for what needs to be accomplished.

[Pony Boss]

I know there is a lot of hate directed at footballdad and probably for me as well, but the truth hurts sometimes and I happen to agree with footballdad on a lot of things being discussed on this board. I've never said SMU has no assets or value, but happen to agree with footballdad that we just don't have much appeal at P5 level under today's conditions.

For now I will go along with Rick Hart and say our goal should be to win AAC Championships and be an asset to our conference. There is no reason SMU can't become the Boise State of football and Gonzaga of basketball and if that can be accomplished, I do believe we will significantly increase student & alumni support and contributions towards athletics...then maybe someday we will be viewed differently by the rest of the world and attract the t-shirt fans we desperately need. After what has been almost 30 years of post death penalty irrelevance and apathy, we still have a steep hill to climb but Larry Brown's bball program and hopefully now Chad Morris' football program appear to be on track for what needs to be accomplished.

Do you tell your kids that they should not expect to make more than the per capita income in their lifetimes? You should, the 1% have no space or patience for others climbing up there with them. Tell em to enjoy making 30k for the rest of their lives, because although they may be smart...they are not smart enough to appeal to the 1% and be allowed into the high income world.

[Pony Boss]

And that "value" that you say SMU doesn't have enough of to be p5...is called wins. SMU has everything else (except an IPF) to compete in the P5 infrastructure wise. SMU is lucky to have the amount of people that come to its games, when the most wins in a single season since 1989 has been 8 wins. I can't wait and see this after a decade of winning 11 games or more a year.

[PonySnob]

And that "value" that you say SMU doesn't have enough of to be p5...is called wins. SMU has everything else (except an IPF) to compete in the P5 infrastructure wise. SMU is lucky to have the amount of people that come to its games, when the most wins in a single season since 1989 has been 8 wins. I can't wait and see this after a decade of winning 11 games or more a year.

Any idea as to when that decade is going to start?

[Pony Boss]

And that "value" that you say SMU doesn't have enough of to be p5...is called wins. SMU has everything else (except an IPF) to compete in the P5 infrastructure wise. SMU is lucky to have the amount of people that come to its games, when the most wins in a single season since 1989 has been 8 wins. I can't wait and see this after a decade of winning 11 games or more a year.

Any idea as to when that decade is going to start?

Started last year.

[Charleston Pony]

a lot of us missed those other 9 wins last year

[East Coast Mustang]

a lot of us missed those other 9 wins last year

4-6 wins in 2016
6-8 wins in 2017
8-10+ wins in 2018

Not saying it will happen, but that needs to be the realistic trajectory

[Digetydog]

a lot of us missed those other 9 wins last year

4-6 wins in 2016
6-8 wins in 2017
8-10+ wins in 2018

Not saying it will happen, but that needs to be the realistic trajectory

Exactly. Timing is critical. One thing all the "Hart/RGT are not working hard enough..." people fail to understand is that our recent W/L record (3 wins in 2 years) in FB is a tough sale. Simply put, the timing is bad for us right now and pushing for a B12 spot (which we will never get) is stupid.
- If Hart was given the power to set the date for "Expansion Madness," who thinks it would be this Summer? Anyone?
- Ideally, expansion opportunities (not including a B12 with UT/OU) will happen in the Summer of 2017 or 2018 when are replacing Morris b/c he is leaving for the TAMU or UT job.

[Pony Boss]

a lot of us missed those other 9 wins last year

4-6 wins in 2016
6-8 wins in 2017
8-10+ wins in 2018

Not saying it will happen, but that needs to be the realistic trajectory

Exactly. Timing is critical. One thing all the "Hart/RGT are not working hard enough..." people fail to understand is that our recent W/L record (3 wins in 2 years) in FB is a tough sale. Simply put, the timing is bad for us right now and pushing for a B12 spot (which we will never get) is stupid.
- If Hart was given the power to set the date for "Expansion Madness," who thinks it would be this Summer? Anyone?
- Ideally, expansion opportunities (not including a B12 with UT/OU) will happen in the Summer of 2017 or 2018 when are replacing Morris b/c he is leaving for the TAMU or UT job.

Hypothetical premises which I will not agree with. A&M and UT won't be looking for coaches anytime soon.

[Digetydog]

Hypothetical premises which I will not agree with. A&M and UT won't be looking for coaches anytime soon.

Strong is already on the Hotseat in Austin. He has 1 (maybe 2) seasons to start competing for B12 titles. Texas alums aren't going to settle for playing 2nd fiddle to BU and TCU for much longer.

Sumlin - although he has done a great job in many ways, the Aggies have a ginormous stadium that they need to fill. If the aren't competing for SEC titles soon, he won't last much longer than Strong.

[Pony Boss]

Hypothetical premises which I will not agree with. A&M and UT won't be looking for coaches anytime soon.

Strong is already on the Hotseat in Austin. He has 1 (maybe 2) seasons to start competing for B12 titles. Texas alums aren't going to settle for playing 2nd fiddle to BU and TCU for much longer.

Sumlin - although he has done a great job in many ways, the Aggies have a ginormous stadium that they need to fill. If the aren't competing for SEC titles soon, he won't last much longer than Strong.

Strong is fine, they knew they had to rebuild. He has brought either the best or 2d best class in the state since he's been there...it's only a matter of time and it most likely will be this year.
As far as Sumlin, I don't know what to tell ya...A&M needs to understand that to compete for SEC titles you need to beat Alabama, LSU and Auburn to be in competition...add Ole miss and Miss St along with the porkies up in Ark and you see why A&M has had trouble. That is well understood in College Station...it will be a crapshoot. Sumlin should break through and win the SEC one of these years with all the talent they have been bringing in.