Copeland

[PK]

Eddie P......

Some people won't be bullied.

And thats who some of us want to go "head to head" with these athletic hating faculty.

There are talented individuals who will not enter a room..."hat in hand" as you say.....they have that kind of presence......they have unique abilities to dominate an agenda with leadership.

That is all fine and dandy when you are basically on equal terms. Cuban is not a good example...Cuban is an owner...he can do whatever the F he wants to do.

I believe what the poster was trying to say with the "hat in hand" analogy it that the Faculty Senate has the power...not the AD. The AD and Faculty Senate do not have equal status. The Faculty Senate cannot be challenged, cajoled or bullied into changing their minds...they have the POWER. What you need is someone who can gain their trust and has the ability to persade people to see their point of view and agree with it. A bull in a china shop isn't going to make it...in fact that type person may make it even worse.

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

That is all fine and dandy when you are basically on equal terms. Cuban is not a good example...Cuban is an owner...he can do whatever the F he wants to do.

Well how come it wasnt "all fine and dandy" before Cuban?
Didnt the other owners have "equal terms"?
Why is it some people always find a way to overcome roadblocks?

Look I am not saying it is exactly 100% the same situation..What two situations are ever exactly the same?

What I am saying is leadership, drive, enthusiasm, rufusing to accept no for an answer people can...... overwhelm entrenched obstacles.

I believe what the poster was trying to say with the "hat in hand" analogy it that the Faculty Senate has the power...not the AD. The AD and Faculty Senate do not have equal status. The Faculty Senate cannot be challenged, cajoled or bullied into changing their minds...they have the POWER.

Well I suppose we will "agree to disagree".

I think the "hat in hand" analogy is a defeatist attitude.

"Hat In Hand" what a bunch a defeatist baloney!

"Oh Boo whooo"......"here I am "hat in hand".

Jezzzzzzzz!

Excuse me if I puke!

What you need is someone who can gain their trust and has the ability to persade people to see their point of view and agree with it.

On this we have some agreement.

The right person can "persuade" people to their thinking!

"A bull in a china shop isn't going to make it...in fact that type person may make it even worse".

Sematics......it depends how one defines a "bull in a China shop".

But we do need someone that can ruffle feathers and fill our freaking stadium.........look at the stadium in most games........your approach sure as hell isnt working!

[Mexmustang]

I am sorry that I used the word "Challenge". But, it is a term that I don't equate to "Bullying". The challenge is in changing a system that has does not seem to be working, not being statisfied to live and exist within it.

As a manager I always hired the best and the brightest I could--those that would challenge me as a manager and challenge the way "we always did things". Sometimes they were wrong, but sometimes the entire company was better for it. If you really are happy with the status quo then be happy with Copeland, be happy we will never compete, be happy with mediocrity. Let's all give up.

No question it will take patience, salemanship, a spirit of cooperation, etc. to deal with the faculty, but I truely believe that part of the proplem is that the faculty doesn't have any respect for a former guard that has retired on the job and wants to go home to Virginia. If those of us that support the athletic program feel that all we have heard is rhetoric not substance what do those faculty members feel that have a bias against the program? Whose salaries a less than Copeland's. Quite frankly they don't see anyone in the athlectic department as their equal. Probably the most impressive thing I have seen from Coach Bennett is his attempt to build bridges into the acedemic area, not lord over it.

I see the job as one that begins in the athletic department itself and not just marketing and promotion, not confronting the faculty senate. "Fix your own shop" before you challenge others. If their is a so-called commitment, and there is clear evidence of its execution, then critical boosters and faculty members will be more willing to support an athletic program that we all can be proud of.

[PK]

........your approach sure as hell isnt working!

I don't know if "my approach" is the current approach that is being used so I would be reluctant to agree with your statement. I would agree that the current approach...what ever it is... isn't working very well. We have had some changes in how we are allowed to recruit and who we are allowed to recruit. These changes have taken too long to be achieved and more changes in that area need to be made. I would also agree it is probably time for a change at the AD position, but as to who should be the replacement...I have no idea.

[Mexmustang]

I don't either! I often thought that we should bring in two people. A Mr. Outside, a senior retired coach or athletic personality to help with fundraising and mentoring of young coaches, etc. and a Mr. Inside to actually run the program, dare I say a "professional" using a business approach. Say, a Hayden Fry (ten years younger) as Senior athletic director and a businessman to be the athletic director. On the other hand, we have had a number of successful athletes that might be both people!

PK, on a lighter side does today picture look like Kennedy (who I am a huge fan of) missed his block and Romo is about to get his lunch eaten?

[PK]

PK, on a lighter side does today picture look like Kennedy (who I am a huge fan of) missed his block and Romo is about to get his lunch eaten?

Nah...telephoto lenses make everything look closer together...maybe...

[mrydel]

PK, on a lighter side does today picture look like Kennedy (who I am a huge fan of) missed his block and Romo is about to get his lunch eaten?

Nah...telephoto lenses make everything look closer together...maybe...

I think Kennedy is saying, "maybe you will look my direction next time!"

[SMUguy]

I saw Ryan Kennedy at the senior awards celebration the other night. He looked like he's lost a little weight, and showed absolutely no sign of even a slight limp. Hopefully he's feeling great and working [deleted] the rehab.
Get better, Ryan!

[DanFreibergerForHeisman]

William and Mary must be disappointed.

I'm sure their alumni/alumnae were looking forward to Copeland coming up there and changing their football uniforms from green and gold to look like Ole Miss too.

[couch 'em]

Geeze, get over the uniforms. They look decent with the red jerseys. Every college uniform looks like another school - tons of schools, only so many colors. Was there this much uproar when they did away with the red helmet - white pony?

[Lefty]

William and Mary must be disappointed.

I'm sure their alumni/alumnae were looking forward to Copeland coming up there and changing their football uniforms from green and gold to look like Ole Miss too.

Especially since Copeland doesn't make those changes. Let it go, dude.

[EastStang]

William and Mary is still fighting to keep its nickname. They submitted a long response to the NCAA over their name "The Tribe". They pointed out to the NCAA that they were the first school in America chartered to educate the indiginous peoples of the Virginia colony. In other words, the College of William and Mary had an "indian school" in the 1600's and it was from that tradition that its nickname was adopted and they submitted letters from various chiefs of various native Virginian tribes that have about 3 members each stating their support of the name. As long as they don't go to the Oregon looking uniforms, I'm happy.

[Mexmustang]

I think you guys missed the real point of my post--the real speculation is that W&M rejected his application for the position, that he didn't pass on their interest, he was just doing damage control. In doing so, he revealed several things about himself and his regard of SMU and Dallas.

I don't know, but it seems the only logical reason that Copeland would have mentioned it at all to the press.

[jtstang]

William and Mary is still fighting to keep its nickname. They submitted a long response to the NCAA over their name "The Tribe". They pointed out to the NCAA that they were the first school in America chartered to educate the indiginous peoples of the Virginia colony. In other words, the College of William and Mary had an "indian school" in the 1600's and it was from that tradition that its nickname was adopted and they submitted letters from various chiefs of various native Virginian tribes that have about 3 members each stating their support of the name. As long as they don't go to the Oregon looking uniforms, I'm happy.

If Fl State gets to keep theirs, Bill&Mary should too. If I were you, an alum, I'd be outraged of the NCAA came down the wrong way on the name issue.

[Lamont_Cranston]

William & Mary, a Div. 1-AA school. Wouldn't that be a step down for Copeland?