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by smu diamond m » Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:19 pm
bigdaddy08091 wrote:Does SMU need Willis in order to proceed to the next level? or does SMU need a new regime and a new system in place to improve? Or should PB remain head coach, under the restriction of a assistant coach shake up? I think a shake up would be most effective, since Willis will leave.
You have got to be out of your mind. The first mistake made was bringing in the Yankeee Orsini!! His only objective is to get back to some big program as an AD. SMU is only an avenue for him. J-Will is the biggest signing SMU has had in years. Can possibly bring in some top recruits, just with the numbers he has put up as a red-shirt freshman. A shake up is just what some of you want, so the focus can be on the boulevard and tailgaitnig, and the rest of the [deleted] on campus instead of football. There were more fans at the game today than there has been at any home game. Fu*k all of you wanna be fans!! J-Will is not going anywhere and he does not need to meet with anyone. He is at SMU for the promise of what the school brings and he will continue to work hard in the classroom and on the football field. Where would he transfer to? He is on a team that is 6-6? Who wants any of these guy, besides LA Tech, UNT, Middle Tenn, and so on?
You didn't understand my message, first off. I said, or at least had the intention of saying, that PB should stay, since Jwill [supposedly] will leave without Bennett. A shake up is what is needed, as the current assistant staff is obviously not getting the job done. We have the talent needed to do anything. We don't have the coaching staff right now to do so. I think PB combined with a new OC, a QbC, and who knows what else would be more effective.
I am offended you accuse me of being a "wanna be fan". You should really shut up.
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by thefamousguy » Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:27 pm
smu diamond m wrote:bigdaddy08091 wrote:Does SMU need Willis in order to proceed to the next level? or does SMU need a new regime and a new system in place to improve? Or should PB remain head coach, under the restriction of a assistant coach shake up? I think a shake up would be most effective, since Willis will leave.
You have got to be out of your mind. The first mistake made was bringing in the Yankeee Orsini!! His only objective is to get back to some big program as an AD. SMU is only an avenue for him. J-Will is the biggest signing SMU has had in years. Can possibly bring in some top recruits, just with the numbers he has put up as a red-shirt freshman. A shake up is just what some of you want, so the focus can be on the boulevard and tailgaitnig, and the rest of the [deleted] on campus instead of football. There were more fans at the game today than there has been at any home game. Fu*k all of you wanna be fans!! J-Will is not going anywhere and he does not need to meet with anyone. He is at SMU for the promise of what the school brings and he will continue to work hard in the classroom and on the football field. Where would he transfer to? He is on a team that is 6-6? Who wants any of these guy, besides LA Tech, UNT, Middle Tenn, and so on?
You didn't understand my message, first off. I said, or at least had the intention of saying, that PB should stay, since Jwill [supposedly] will leave without Bennett. A shake up is what is needed, as the current assistant staff is obviously not getting the job done. We have the talent needed to do anything. We don't have the coaching staff right now to do so. I think PB combined with a new OC, a QbC, and who knows what else would be more effective. I am offended you accuse me of being a "wanna be fan". You should really shut up.
A decision to Fire or keep Bennett should be without regard for Justin's threat to transfer. Orsini's responsibility goes beyond Justin Willis. Justin is obviously a great athlete but his job is to make plays on the field, not to make the Athletic Director's decisions. 
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by SmartAsymptote » Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:03 pm
so back to todd dodge ... he has a son that plays qb right?
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by Hoofprint » Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:14 pm
bigdaddy08091 wrote:Support to the football program, not the instutution. The institution is operating on a different scale. We need wins, the institution is stable with with the Business School and so on!! We need wins. J-Will wants to win. Do we have the support of any of you or not?
Of course! We support Willis, Martin, Sanders, McCann -- ALL of the Ponies! We love SMU -- business school, football team, all of it -- and that's the whole reason people are upset with the loss, because we DO care. Allow some emotions to cool a little, but rest assured, PonyFans are worked up because we do care .... immensely. We'll be there with you during recruiting, during spring ball, during two-a-days, and when you kick Tech's tail on opening day!
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by bigdaddy08091 » Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:44 pm
thefamousguy wrote:smu diamond m wrote:bigdaddy08091 wrote:Does SMU need Willis in order to proceed to the next level? or does SMU need a new regime and a new system in place to improve? Or should PB remain head coach, under the restriction of a assistant coach shake up? I think a shake up would be most effective, since Willis will leave.
You have got to be out of your mind. The first mistake made was bringing in the Yankeee Orsini!! His only objective is to get back to some big program as an AD. SMU is only an avenue for him. J-Will is the biggest signing SMU has had in years. Can possibly bring in some top recruits, just with the numbers he has put up as a red-shirt freshman. A shake up is just what some of you want, so the focus can be on the boulevard and tailgaitnig, and the rest of the [deleted] on campus instead of football. There were more fans at the game today than there has been at any home game. Fu*k all of you wanna be fans!! J-Will is not going anywhere and he does not need to meet with anyone. He is at SMU for the promise of what the school brings and he will continue to work hard in the classroom and on the football field. Where would he transfer to? He is on a team that is 6-6? Who wants any of these guy, besides LA Tech, UNT, Middle Tenn, and so on?
You didn't understand my message, first off. I said, or at least had the intention of saying, that PB should stay, since Jwill [supposedly] will leave without Bennett. A shake up is what is needed, as the current assistant staff is obviously not getting the job done. We have the talent needed to do anything. We don't have the coaching staff right now to do so. I think PB combined with a new OC, a QbC, and who knows what else would be more effective. I am offended you accuse me of being a "wanna be fan". You should really shut up.
A decision to Fire or keep Bennett should be without regard for Justin's threat to transfer. Orsini's responsibility goes beyond Justin Willis. Justin is obviously a great athlete but his job is to make plays on the field, not to make the Athletic Director's decisions. 
What are those decisions based on wins and loses or just making idiotic decisions because you have the power. Jerry Jones did it with Jimmy Johnson and it nearly, did cost the Cowboys several years of rebuilding. We cannot afford that at SMU??
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by Glenn Sosbee » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:04 am
This is nothing new to SMU. Craig James once threatened to transfer to Alabama, while Eric Dickerson was going to take his skills to Texas A&M. Wow, it may take a while for this smoke to clear. What a disaster.
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by Stallion » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:16 am
I thought it was OU. But this is definitely true. The Pony Express both were close to transferring after the disappointing freshman year.
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by Stallion » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:16 am
I thought it was OU. But this is definitely true. The Pony Express both were close to transferring after the disappointing freshman year.
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by ponyte » Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:45 am
Willis suffers from Matt Jones' disease. If his first read isn't open, he starts running around to make things happen. Matt Jones at Ark made a career out of those antics. The problem was Jones lost Ark as many games as he won. Defense soon started letting Jones run around knowing he couldn't consistently challenge a pass defense. And Ark continually got worse. Willis needs discipline and to wait for thing to open up. The consistent QBs win (Roger the Dodger began his greatness when he learned to stay in the pocket). A new coach may coach Willis how to be disciplined. Willis can be better than great but it will require discipline.
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by FloridaMustang » Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:48 am
Willis will not transfer if Bennett is fired, especially if a big name is hired like Coker or an offensive guru like Koetter.
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by expony18 » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:51 am
ponyte wrote:Willis suffers from Matt Jones' disease. If his first read isn't open, he starts running around to make things happen. Matt Jones at Ark made a career out of those antics. The problem was Jones lost Ark as many games as he won. Defense soon started letting Jones run around knowing he couldn't consistently challenge a pass defense. And Ark continually got worse. Willis needs discipline and to wait for thing to open up. The consistent QBs win (Roger the Dodger began his greatness when he learned to stay in the pocket). A new coach may coach Willis how to be disciplined. Willis can be better than great but it will require discipline.
Willis learned quickly to stay in pocket longer, our offensive line was not that great, there was many times this year where his feet alone kept drives going for us. With this thinking we should still have Bartel back there.
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by MustangIcon » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:16 am
expony18 wrote:ponyte wrote:Willis suffers from Matt Jones' disease. If his first read isn't open, he starts running around to make things happen. Matt Jones at Ark made a career out of those antics. The problem was Jones lost Ark as many games as he won. Defense soon started letting Jones run around knowing he couldn't consistently challenge a pass defense. And Ark continually got worse. Willis needs discipline and to wait for thing to open up. The consistent QBs win (Roger the Dodger began his greatness when he learned to stay in the pocket). A new coach may coach Willis how to be disciplined. Willis can be better than great but it will require discipline.
Willis learned quickly to stay in pocket longer, our offensive line was not that great, there was many times this year where his feet alone kept drives going for us. With this thinking we should still have Bartel back there.
I agree with your point here. He really has had many times where he has needed his feet due to lack of protection. But I did want to point out that I think Bartel had/has a heckuva an arm and is just not suited at all to play behind a weak or non existant offensive line bc he is a statue back there. If you give that guy protection he can heave it. I haven't seen, but anyone know how he turned out at Tarleton?
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by expony18 » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:20 am
MustangIcon wrote:expony18 wrote:ponyte wrote:Willis suffers from Matt Jones' disease. If his first read isn't open, he starts running around to make things happen. Matt Jones at Ark made a career out of those antics. The problem was Jones lost Ark as many games as he won. Defense soon started letting Jones run around knowing he couldn't consistently challenge a pass defense. And Ark continually got worse. Willis needs discipline and to wait for thing to open up. The consistent QBs win (Roger the Dodger began his greatness when he learned to stay in the pocket). A new coach may coach Willis how to be disciplined. Willis can be better than great but it will require discipline.
Willis learned quickly to stay in pocket longer, our offensive line was not that great, there was many times this year where his feet alone kept drives going for us. With this thinking we should still have Bartel back there.
I agree with your point here. He really has had many times where he has needed his feet due to lack of protection. But I did want to point out that I think Bartel had/has a heckuva an arm and is just not suited at all to play behind a weak or non existant offensive line bc he is a statue back there. If you give that guy protection he can heave it. I haven't seen, but anyone know how he turned out at Tarleton?
BUST! i went to watch him in their spring game last year and he took his helmet off after being sacked and hit one of his teammates... ive known him since high school, he has the arm strength of an NFL QB, he just isn't mentally composed to be a leader
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by ponyte » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:21 am
expony18 wrote:ponyte wrote:Willis suffers from Matt Jones' disease. If his first read isn't open, he starts running around to make things happen. Matt Jones at Ark made a career out of those antics. The problem was Jones lost Ark as many games as he won. Defense soon started letting Jones run around knowing he couldn't consistently challenge a pass defense. And Ark continually got worse. Willis needs discipline and to wait for thing to open up. The consistent QBs win (Roger the Dodger began his greatness when he learned to stay in the pocket). A new coach may coach Willis how to be disciplined. Willis can be better than great but it will require discipline.
Willis learned quickly to stay in pocket longer, our offensive line was not that great, there was many times this year where his feet alone kept drives going for us. With this thinking we should still have Bartel back there.
I stand corrected and I agree totally. All those Willis fumbles while running helter skelter didn't hurt us once. It sure kept drives alive didn't it? And all those completions over the middle to the TE (secondary receiver) opened up the outside passing game and made the linebackers respect our passing over the middle. And all those sacks for 10+ yards instead of throwing the ball away never bothered our awesome offense. Boy, thank goodness those sacks never killed a drive.
Willis can be more than good. He can be great. But only if we continue to use the one pattern, no passing over the middle offense and let Willis try to create great plays while running around a field. Imagine how effective Willis will be when defense can't put a rover on him because he can read defenses, select more than one receiver or then run. I would just hate to put opponent's defense in a worse situation because they have to defend against a Willis with more passing options and more weapons on offense. Gee, if the opponent’s linebackers had to respect the pass over the middle, maybe, just maybe those linebackers wouldn’t be crashing the line when DM got the ball.
No, we should rely exclusively on one receiver patterns and if not open, let Willis try to win with his feet. As we all know, we are all more productive, effective and successful when we are running undisciplined all over our work environment trying to solve a fast moving dilemma. Everyone knows that planning and execution are no substitute for improvisation while being chased by large fast angry men. We should not expect any of our QBs to step up to the next level of improvement and expand the passing game. We are so successful as things current stand. Why expect improvement when we can have a few sensational plays followed by fumbles, sacks and limiting the weapons a defense needs to consider?
Oh, and sarcasm off.
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by MustangIcon » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:23 am
expony18 wrote: BUST! i went to watch him in their spring game last year and he took his helmet off after being sacked and hit one of his teammates... ive known him since high school, he has the arm strength of an NFL QB, he just isn't mentally composed to be a leader
Thats a shame. Good guy and everytime I saw him throw he had that wow factor with his arm but I guess he just never had the make up of a big time QB. Is he still playing baseball? And did you go to Gvine or a rival school?
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